Engine will not start up and run?

Tiny
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Sounds like a plan to me. I will let you know on Monday. Is that ok?
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:20 PM (Merged)
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That is fine. Whatever works for you. I'll be here.

Take care.

Joe
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:20 PM (Merged)
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Hi changed radiator fan, had broke and coil, spark plugs, just because it had been awhile. Now it wont start. Firing order is right, it gets spark, fuel, did compression test is fine. Timing is top dead center, security system is fine, changed crankshaft sensor, temp sensor, cleaned maf sensor, help it's been down 6 weeks now
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
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KEN L
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It sounds like the exhaust is plugged. Can you remove the head pipe from the exhaust manifold to see if it runs?

Here is a guide that can help:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-a-catalytic-converter

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-cranks-but-wont-start

Please let us know what happens.

Cheers, Ken
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
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COURTNEY LIVINGMYLIFELIKEITSGOLDEN WALKER
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My vehicle will not start. I got the fuel pump, spark plugs and front timing chain done and it is still not starting I do not know what to do.
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:22 PM (Merged)
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What led you to the things you listed? Have you checked for spark? Fuel pressure? Diagnostic fault codes?
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:22 PM (Merged)
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Before I had the not starting issue the check engine light was on so had a diagnostic check done only the catalytic converter admission that is it, but later that day it stopped working called my mechanic and he put a nail in something to make sure it was getting gas and it was so he changed the spark plugs still nothing then he said timing chain is off, I had it towed to a shop and he agreed, but he would not do it so I took it to yet another mechanic who said it was the fuel pump not the chain. I had a new fuel pump went to start it and it cut off they are saying it is the chain I had that changed and still no start!
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:22 PM (Merged)
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There are all kinds of problems with the diagnostics that have been done so far. The catalytic converters wont cause abrupt stalling or a failure to start. My best guess is the nail trick was to press the valve in the fuel pressure test port to see if there was pressure in the system. That is a worthless test because as little as five pounds of pressure will make the gas spray up to the hood, but the engine needs way more than that to run. Doing the test that way is similar to testing for air in a tire. It can be almost flat but will still hiss when you push the valve. You wont know the pressure in the tire unless you measure it with a gauge. A proper fuel pressure test is to attach a fuel pressure gauge and read the exact pressure while cranking the engine.

"that is it but later that day it stopped working"

What is "it"? I do not know if you are referring to the catalytic converter, the engine stalled, or something else.

"it was so changed the spark plugs still nothing"

"still nothing" does not say anything. Do you mean it did not start? It ran and did not stall? You need to be specific so I know exactly what you mean.

You can have a fouled or worn spark plug, or a bad spark plug wire, but that will cause a misfire that you can hear and feel. You know all six of them are not going to fail at the same time to cause a failure to start.

The biggest concern is blaming the timing chain. They can stretch and jump a few teeth resulting in a failure to start and run, or the engine will run very poorly, but that will not magically correct itself so the engine runs well at other times. The problem will be permanent.

If this is a permanent failure to start, it will be obvious when it is solved. By far the most frustrating problems are the intermittent ones because we can never know for sure when we have them fixed. We only know when we have not solved them when the problem acts up again.

If this is still an intermittent problem and the engine does run at times, a lot of people have a hard time understanding that no diagnostic tests can be done at that time because everything is working properly. All testing has to be done while the no-start condition is acting up. The first things to look at are whether there is spark and there is the correct fuel pressure. Both of those tests take less than a minute. Also, too many people get hung up on the first thing they find missing, but it is much more common to find spark and fuel pressure missing at the same time, so you have to look at what both systems have in common. Even that can be misleading because the fuel pump will run for one second when you turn on the ignition switch, but with this common problem, it will not resume running during cranking. That one-second burst can develop enough fuel pressure to make it appear that system is working.

You did not list the engine size so I do not know which electrical system you have, but the most common ones use a crankshaft position sensor and a camshaft position sensor. The Engine Computer needs both of their signals to know when to fire the spark plugs and the fuel injectors. It also knows the engine is rotating, (cranking or running), by the presence of those signals, and that is when it turns on the fuel pump again, (after that one-second burst). It is very common for either of those sensors to fail by becoming heat-sensitive, then they will work again after they cool down for an hour. They cause an intermittent loss of spark, injector pulses, and fuel pressure. That is why all of those things have to be checked.

When the problem occurs too seldom to do any diagnosis of value, your mechanic can connect a scanner to view live data during a test drive. The goal then is to get the stalling to occur so he can see which sensor signal is missing. Either of them should set a diagnostic fault but often the engine coasts to a stop too quickly for the engine computer to detect the problem and set the code. That is where viewing sensor data during the test drive has its advantages.
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:22 PM (Merged)
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Sometimes after driving my Explorer for a while and then killing the engine it won't immediately restart. The engine will try to start and will run very rough -- chugging and sputtering for a second then die. If I let it sit before trying to restart -- sometimes for a few minutes and sometimes for as long as an hour the engine will start and run normally.

I don't know if there is any connection, but there is also an intermittent loud whining noise coming from the engine compartment. This happens when the engine won't start correctly, but can also occur at other times
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:22 PM (Merged)
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Has the check engine light come on? Is there any black or white smoke from the exhaust when this happens?
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:22 PM (Merged)
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No check engine light and no noticeable exhaust smoke.
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:22 PM (Merged)
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Without a check engine light, it becomes a guessing game. What I would like you to try first is to locate the EEC relay in the power distribution box under the hood. Remove the realay (each one is marked on the cover) and switch it with another relay with the same part number and see if that makes any difference. The noise you hear when it doesn't start has me confused. Do you hear it when the key is in the start position or run position?
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:22 PM (Merged)
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starts fine and drives fine other times it will not start it cranks over but won't start and then ya let it sit for awhile it will start up just fine and never acts up when I have someone look at it no engine light on reg tune ups new battery and cable I can hear fuel pump come on when you turn key on need opinion on what to look for thanks for your time.
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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When this happens, you need to check to see if you are getting spark and fuel. Are you sure the fuel pump is working? I ask because this sounds like an EEC relay problem.

Let me know.

Joe
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM (Merged)
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I assume that since it starts 98% time that it is getting fuel and spark and for fuel pump I can hear it if I turn the key on and off I have turned on and off as much as I can to see if sometimes it doesn't ingage but always sounds like its working the prob is my wife drives it and always happens to her not me is the "EEC relay" something I can replace fairly easy? I work 2 jobs and have little time to guess what it could be and I know any reccomendation on here may not be the problem but wanna good starting point I will try and check for fuel and spark if I can catch it not starting when im around but based on what I can do am willing to start off with eec relay if that sounds like what it can be.
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM (Merged)
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Hi:
It's very easy to replace. Just unplug the old and plug in the new. It's under the hood in the relay box (I think the passanger side).
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM (Merged)
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1998 Ford Explorer V8 Automatic 147000 miles

my sons car started acting funny. In the morning it would start he would drive it to school. In the afternoon it would start fine get half way home and it would start to act like it was running out of gas. Wait awhile and it would start and run okay. Today it did the same but now it will not start. I cannot here the fuel pump whin e whenou turn the key on. Well its been 2 days but no response? New update the countinuity for groung going to the fuel pump is missing on the fuelpump side. Trying to figure out how to get to the wire to fix it without dropping the tank.
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM (Merged)
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Use a test light at the fuel pump it should activate for 2-3 seconds when you turn the key on, if power is getting to the pump but it wont run, check the fuse and relay, replace the pump.
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM (Merged)
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Thanks for the info. Traced the harness back to a connector behind the gas tank. Full of dirt and corroded pins cleaned and scraped pins. Runs great now.
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Wednesday, December 30th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM (Merged)
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Ok great, good work!
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