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Have you checked to see if the distributor shaft is rotating? Taken any voltage readings?
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What is the voltage to the positive side of the coil?

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Sorry I took so long - work/ uncle died/ daughter's birthday/ etc. Just got in. Mr. Jeep's rear pinion seal has sprung a leak, looks like they'd last more than 38 years (at this pace, i'll never get time to replace it)

prestolite was a very crappily designed system

the wires entering the distributor are basically solid copper telephone wires (like about the size of what plugs into your house phone's body)

if this is not anchored well, it will shake around and break the wire(s)
i've seen this many times, especially w/ 6 cylinders, wires sorta just dangle, a 304 ain't as bad, the wires lay on the intake

if you disconnect the plug, you can run a continuity test thru it to see if the wires complete the circuit

i upgraded to a motorcraft system (which was standard in '79 on up cjs)

pic 1) this is my motorcraft distributor, it has 3 stranded wires into the distributor. Test your 2 pins like I show for continuity (lost? I can explain that too)

pic 2) you can have your ign module tested at a parts store, this happens to be advance auto parts' machine. I laid out 2 pigtails for this pic, the one next to the machine is to test a motorcraft module, the one to the left is for prestolite. Run the test at least 5 time in a row, to insure the module is good, do the same for a new one, should it be needed, before you leave the store.

Pic 3) key on, what do you have at the positive side of the coil?

If this ain't cutting it, i'll run you thru installation of the distributor again.

Should you want to upgrade later to motorcraft, I can talk you thru it. As far as all of this "high speed" and "high dollar" ignition stuff, I have not seen any advantage over stock stuff and "regular jeepin", that stuff may do something special if you are racing.

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Yes it is rotating like it should. I am getting a little over 12 volts when the key is on.
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10.5 volts is what I believe I tested. I just had spark out of the distributor again for a few cranks, then gone. I don't get it.
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Saturday, July 13th, 2019 AT 11:45 AM (Merged)
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Sorry to here about your uncle :(. Thank you for the Info, I haven gotten a chance to do anything to the CJ because of work but you've give me some good ideas thank you, I'll let you know on Sunday (my day off) what I found again thank you all.
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I have so many pictures I cannot find yours in a hurry. I will continue to help you until the cows come home as long as you keep responding.
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Saturday, July 13th, 2019 AT 11:45 AM (Merged)
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If your distributor was not installed correctly

We can get into that later---i have lots of pics---and can give you some good ole rural route explaining

We'll even go into making sure your firing order is correct as well as checking your distributor pick up

I want to know what kind of non-stock modifications have been done to the ignition system?

. And the whole jeep?

Is your coil new?---Where'd it come from?--Part number?Does it say "for external resistor" on it?

Need to know. What engine you have?

Pics are nice to see what we are working on!

I'll hang with you till your jeep is like new again!

Keep responding here

I want you to test the distributor with continuity

Grab the wires on either side of the connector---pull (not jerk)---the connector should come apart (digging at it with a screwdriver usually won't do it)

I have much more!----Other tests!

Do not buy nothing till we talk some junk.I may can help you with lower costs

I'll be back on this evening after 20:30 hrs eastern time (must work so I can eat)

Your turn

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Send more engine pics with the breather off and hood against the windshield frame.

The whole jeep too!

See ya sunday!

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They seem to have had many spools of red wire to use up when they built your vehicle! To start with, check for 12 volts on the ignition coil's positive terminal, then see what you have for voltage on the negative terminal. If the 12 volts is missing, I will try to follow the diagram back to the source.
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Ok re tested. Key on connector removed from the top of the coil, I get 12.2 volts. Connected to the coil 6.5 volts. During starting its only getting 9.5 volts. Is that normal
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Some snap shots of the past 2 years
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I have checked the fuse. I will check the voltage on the negative side as soon as I can and let all of you know.
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Saturday, July 13th, 2019 AT 11:45 AM (Merged)
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Hi. I jave read a few of your other responses in this forum and you know your stuff. I apreciate your time. I believe the distributor was instaled correctly. I even thought it was 180 out and pulled it and spun it 180. Still no spark past the distributor. Each and every time the coil fires.I checked the firing order, its on point. I got the jeep from my father who bought it about ten years ago. No mods were done by him but he did buy it as a salvaged title. It was belived that it had a blown exaust gasket but turned out to be the head gasket blew out the side. So I had the head done. When putting it back together noticed a very loose rocker arm. Tore it back apart come to find out had a bad cam and lifter. Replaced those along with a timing set and now will not fire. It ran before we took it apart minus the leak from the head gasket. Prior to doing the head and cam and timing I replaced the cap, rotor, wirws and plugs. The coil is not new. But the pick up coil in the distributor is new. It has the 258 motor with the ford ignition system. Like I said before. It started fine prior to the repairs. This morning when I went to test I was getting spark to my plugs for a few cranks. Then tried again and nothing. But the coil still fired.
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The wiring kit you got, is it specifically for a '76 or does it include years above that, like a '79?

The reason i'm asking is

#1 if you had sent back a value on the positive side of the coil, we might know if it is a resistor wire or not (previous pic I sent)

In '79, they went with the motorcraft sysyem, the wire from (basically the ign switch ) is a resistance wire. '76-'78 just had a regular wire. The coils for either system are different. Maybe you have double the resistance than you should have, if the "resistance wire" is in your new harness.

Pic 1) below is an excerpt from a '79

Pic 2) '79 and up coil

Pics 3 and 4) try this as a test. Positive battery post to positive coil. This would sorta bypass any resistance.

P.S, got mr. Rear pinion seal in about an hour ago! I'm good as new again!

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Maybe review the distributor installation?
https://www.2carpros.com/questions/1978-jeep-cj5-engine-wont-start/page/5
How about that module? Read this;
https://www.2carpros.com/questions/1981-lincoln-mark-vi-would-car-run-fine-idol-park-stop-key-turned-off
On to the coil, check out this link.
https://www.2carpros.com/questions/84-jeep-cj7-cranks-but-wont-run/page/3
Is this mostly the OEM or have your changed things.
Send left/right over head pictures of your engine compartment.

Your turn,
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Wont let me upload multiple pics from my phone
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The text on that coil pic was meant for a '79 on up jeep guy!

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It is all original replacement parts nothing performance. I am just trying to get it to run.
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