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JAMES W.
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That's OK, I just got my first grandaughter last April. They're pretty precious.
We're back on track. Now, with HLSw on and you "ground" term #4 do the lights come on? If yes, with #4 ground removed, do you have?
Low beams Yes/no
High beams Yes/no
High beam flash Yes/no
Let me know. I sure hope the car is close, or your putting on a few miles.
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Saturday, March 7th, 2009 AT 5:30 PM
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The lights do not come on when I groung leg #3.
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Saturday, March 7th, 2009 AT 5:44 PM
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What I don't understand is with the relay in and the hlswitch on why do I get an 8 volt reading on legs 3&4
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Saturday, March 7th, 2009 AT 5:47 PM
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In an earlier reply you said that #13 wire from the switch was the ground for leg #4. If thats so then shouldn't I be able to splice into #13 and run a jumper to leg # 4 and see if I get any lights? If I don't get any lights then there must also be a hot wire that I can also jumper to the #3 leg. What do you think?
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Saturday, March 7th, 2009 AT 5:57 PM
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I tell ya' what. If you don't mind, if you'll give me your phone #, I'd be more than happy to give you a call. I don't mind, I have free long distance. The only thing is you'd have to have access to the car, a phone and light at the same time.
What part of the world do you call home?
To make your voltage tests, are you using a testlight or a meter.
The biggest problem most people have with automotive wiring is that everything is backwards from the wiring, like, in your house. I'm an electrician by trade retired, and I still sometimes have trouble with auto circuits. Let me know.
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Saturday, March 7th, 2009 AT 8:11 PM
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Mbenco said :-

I checked each socket before putting in the relay.With switch off 1&3 showed 12 volts 2&4 showed 0 volts. with switch on 1&3 showed 12 volts 2 showed 0 volts and 4 showed 8 volts. After putting in the relay with switch off leg 1 showed 12 volts legs 2,3&4 showed 0 volts. With switch on leg 1 showed 12 volts leg 2 showed 0 volts legs 3&4 each showed 8 volts. Then with switch on and relay installed I grounded #4 leg and nothing happened so I put 12 volts to #3 with #4 still grounded and the relay worked and the lights came on. Hope you're good at puzzles (ha ha)

Hope you don't mind me adding 2 pence worth !!

If you are getting HOT @ #1 & #3 before you install the relay into JB .. but no HOT to #3 after relay is installed ... the problem must be under the JB on the wiring connector to #3 ?? especially when you then added 12 volts to #3 and everything worked !! #3 should be a HOT 12volts at all times as james has previuosy stated ... so i do not understand where the 8volts is coming from @ relay IN and switch ON ...also how did #4 show 8volts with switch on but no relay installed ?? hope this helps


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Saturday, March 7th, 2009 AT 9:18 PM
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Hi James & Dave: James, my name is Mike my ph.# Is 361-578-6705 and I live in Victoria Tx. Also I'm using a meter to do my checks and I have the car sitting in my driveway. Dave. As to your comment, I do appreciate any input I can get, thanks. You're right about the #4 leg, I don't understand why it has 8 volts either, at anytime. I would think it would have 0 volts or if it were shorted to another wire 12 volts. Thats why I was thinkig that if I jumpered 3&4 legs directly from the wiring harness on the steering column to the relay and if the lights came on and were able to be controlled by the switch then that would show a break in the circuit from the junction box to the switch. Does that make sense?
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Sunday, March 8th, 2009 AT 9:42 AM
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Hey Mike.

Put the relay in and with the top off check #3 it should have 12volts ... if it does not, add 12 volts to it and test the switch ..it should work correctly .. if it does then the problem must be below the JB ...on the 12volts supply terminal or wire ? let me know


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Sunday, March 8th, 2009 AT 9:54 AM
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Hi Dave: Guess what? I installed the relay and checked the voltage and it showed a varity of readings depending on where I put pressure on the #3 leg it went from 12 to 0 volts. When I got a 12 volt reading I turned the switch on and got no lights but when I engaged the hi beams with the dimmer switch they came on. So I put the new relay in and tried it and got no lights and the dimmer didn't work either. So I think you're right. I think there is a problem in the junction box. So I'm going to take it apart and see what I can find. I'll let you know what I find. How does that sound?
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Sunday, March 8th, 2009 AT 1:11 PM
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Hey Mike.

Sounds good to me ...I think you will find a bad connection on the #3 pin underneath the JB .. let us know !!


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Sunday, March 8th, 2009 AT 1:20 PM
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Keep in mind, relay terminals 3 & 1 are supposed to be 12 volts at all time regardless of HL switch position the color of the grass, wind direction, anything. Hot (12 volts to ground) all the time.
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Sunday, March 8th, 2009 AT 8:07 PM
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I'll tell you what guys, That relay box is what I would consider a rats nest. There are 3 layers of plates and poles that all seem to intertwine.I couldn't make much out of it when I took it apart except that the top sockets don't line up with the plugs on the bottom. I did ( by use of my meter) find out that the #3 leg had continuity with a red & black wire in one of the plugs. Also Legs 1, 2, 3 all SEEMED to be connected. Here's the kicker tho, after I put the box back together, it won't start. So now I think I'll have to take it apart again and see what I did or didn't do. Anyway that's where I'm at right now. I'm going to be tied up this morning buying a 2002 chevy venture van for my grandaughter so I won't be able to do anything with the camry till this afternoon. I hope this van turns out to be a good one or I may be a permanant customer for you guys (ha, ha). From all I've read about this van, it doesn't have a good track record so here's hoping. Talk to you later.
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Monday, March 9th, 2009 AT 4:51 AM
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By the way guys in case you want to see who you're talking to, here's a picture of me with my new best friend. I'm the one sitting down.


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Monday, March 9th, 2009 AT 5:12 AM
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I'm back: I tried starting the car this afternoon and guess what? It started. I let it run for a few minutes then shut it down and it started right up again. So I guess everythings allright in that dept. But still no lights. So what I'm going to do is what I said earlier, Install a jumper from the #13 wire on the steering column to the #4 pole on the relay then install a jumper from the #3 to the # 1 pole and see if I get lights with control from the switch. Does that sound OK?
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Monday, March 9th, 2009 AT 5:59 PM
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When I jumpered #4 pole on the relay to #13 on the column the lights came on and I could switch from hi to low but I couldn't turn them off with the switch. So I found another ground on the column and I think it's #5 and when I hooked it up the lights came on and I could control the hi low beams also the flash and I could turn off the lights with the switch. The only thing I did notice was that the hl switch has 3 positions and when I set up my jumper the lights come on in the tailight position and the headlight position. I don't know if they're supposed to or not. Also I jumpered from #1 to #3 relay pole.
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Monday, March 9th, 2009 AT 6:45 PM
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You have stated time and again that you have no power (0 volts)to terminal #3 on the relay ... terminal #3 connects to terminal #4 when the switch is used ..by jumping between term 13 on the switch and term #4 on relay .. you are just bypassing the intergration relay !!! what happens if you just jumper the #1 and #3 terminal on the relay .. take off the ground between #13 or #5 on switch !! just jump the #1 hot terminal to #3 hot terminal ? let me know


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Monday, March 9th, 2009 AT 7:21 PM
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Nothing happens When I jump #1 to #3 with the switch on or off
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Monday, March 9th, 2009 AT 7:58 PM
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Ok. Jump the #4 with the #14 (red/black wire) terminal on the switch and let me know waht happens now. Leave #1 and #3 jumped !
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Monday, March 9th, 2009 AT 8:29 PM
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Dave: I'm kind of lost because I can't find a red/black wire coming from the HL switch. I'm looking at the old switch I took out and there is no red/black wire.
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Monday, March 9th, 2009 AT 9:23 PM
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These 2 diagrams overlap a little ..the wire at the arrow ?


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