Overheating issue due to no fans running

Tiny
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Unless it’s the PCM that you were originally talking about. If the PCM grounds out the coolant temperature switch, then that would make sense.
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Monday, August 17th, 2020 AT 11:03 AM
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You could be correct but I am starting to wonder if we have a different issue that is causing the fans to be off. Take a look at this that I just found. I highlighted the two sections we need to check. Basically we need to hook up a gauge set and see what the pressure is on the high and low side.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/re-charge-an-air-conditioner-system

Let's check the pressures of the A/C system and just make sure they are okay. If they are, check to see if the compressor comes on when you turn it on. if it does then the pressure switches are okay.
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Monday, August 17th, 2020 AT 7:06 PM
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Well, the A/C hasn’t been working well in the last couple years. I never bothered to fix it because I hardly ever use it. I’m in Washington State, and it doesn’t get all that hot here. Anyways, I know that I probably have a leak in the condenser. I could tackle the A/C issue if you believe it is related to the issue I am having though.
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Monday, August 17th, 2020 AT 10:40 PM
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I am not convinced yet so I would not want to point you in that direction until we have a little more proof first. Plus there may be a way to trick it if this proves out if you don't need it.

Let's rent a gauge set from a tool rental just to see what the pressure is even though we can probably assume it is pretty empty.
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Tuesday, August 18th, 2020 AT 6:15 PM
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Okay, roger that. Will do that tomorrow morning and get back with you.
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Tuesday, August 18th, 2020 AT 7:58 PM
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Thanks. We will wait to hear back. Thanks for the update.
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Wednesday, August 19th, 2020 AT 10:24 AM
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Wow, looks like I have zero. Thought it would be a little something, but nope. Another project for another time.
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Wednesday, August 19th, 2020 AT 2:25 PM
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Okay. That is positive news towards the fan issue but the set back is your A/C pressure sensor is a 3 wire sensor that is wired to the PCM. That means it is not an on/off sensor. It actually has a resistor in the PCM and tells the PCM what the pressure is. That means we can't jump the switch and "trick" the PCM that the pressure is above the minimum. If it were a two wire switch then if the pressure is above the minimum threshold then the switch closes and the PCM just senses 12 volts and knows the pressure is not too low.

So this is what I would suggest: Get one of those refill cans so that you can get the A/C pressure above 28 PSI so the PCM will allow the fans to run.

Take a look at the attachment and tell me if you read that the same way I do. The PCM will shut the fans off if the A/C pressure is below 28 PSI. If you agree, let me know what happens.
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Wednesday, August 19th, 2020 AT 3:08 PM
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I decided to test the A/C system for leaks first to see how bad it is using a vacuum pump, and it’s pretty bad. It’s not holding pressure. I’ll have to just replace the condenser. I have it, the manifold gauge, and a pump, so I’ll be able to square away that issue pretty quick. I’ll target this weekend to find a block of time to get it done.
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 4:52 PM
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Smart. Thanks for the update. We will wait to hear back.
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Thursday, August 20th, 2020 AT 6:01 PM
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What is this sensor? It’s unplugged. When I trace down the connector, it goes to something else instead.
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Tuesday, August 25th, 2020 AT 11:19 PM
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It goes to this round diaphragm thing.
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Tuesday, August 25th, 2020 AT 11:19 PM
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I am not sure. However, we need to get a new post started for that one because I am sure others in the future will want to identify this and they will not find it on this post. If you can also post these pictures along with a couple others or at least a general location of where this is as it is hard to orientate where this is.

https://www.2carpros.com/questions/new

Thanks.
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Wednesday, August 26th, 2020 AT 6:09 PM
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Okay. Replaced the condenser. Recharged the A/C to 35. Everything is holding good. Cold air coming out of the vents. Both fans are spinning. That has got to be an improvement.

Took it for a drive, and after about 10 minutes, temperature drastically started to rise, and starts to overheat. I pull over, and it slowly goes back down to 1/3. Tried again, and same thing. Did not let it get that hot though. Figured over half, it is going to do it again.
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 3:25 PM
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Okay. Just to confirm, because this is a long post, originally your fans did not come on and the vehicle was overheating. Now after this repair to the A/C system the fans are coming on but the vehicle is still overheating?

If this is the case we have made progress. Now let's look at just the cooling system. Let's try something to try and narrow this down. If you start the vehicle after making sure the coolant is full and just let it idle does it overheat? The fans should be on and clearly it should not overheat. However, if it overheats just idling then I suspect we have restriction in the cooling system. Let's do this and go to the next step.
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Friday, August 28th, 2020 AT 6:01 PM
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No overheat at idle. I’ll confirm tonight if the fan comes on eventually just by idling. Matter of fact, I’ll try to jumper the temperature fan switch again

Is there anything I can check through again with a meter through the fuse panel?
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Friday, August 28th, 2020 AT 7:22 PM
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If the vehicle is not overheating when at idle then I would not be as concerned with the fans not coming on. It just doesn't need them if it is not overheating. However, next thing is to let it idle with the A/C on and see if it overheats which will force the fans on. Let is run at idle for up to 30 minutes after it reaches operating temperature with the A/C on and see if it overheats.

If it does not, then I suspect there is a restriction so we need to check around the engine cooling system for a hot spots using a laser temperature meter.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-infrared-temperature-meter

I suspect it is the radiator but clearly we have no proof yet for that.
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Saturday, August 29th, 2020 AT 4:25 PM
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I’ll check it out. I did replace the radiator though. The fans do come on immediately after I turn on the A/C and continue to run without shutting off. I’ll check on the overheating while idle with A/C though.
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Saturday, August 29th, 2020 AT 7:21 PM
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Interesting. So if it doesn't overheat at all at idle even with the A/C on or off, we need to check the rest of the cooling system with a laser temperature meter just to see if there are any hot spots. So let me know if it does over heat with the A/C on and idling.

If no hot spots then we are dealing with a water pump issue, or possibly an air pocket. However, I will review this post to refresh what you have already done so we are not wasting time. It is a long one and I clearly have forgotten a number of things on it.
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Saturday, August 29th, 2020 AT 7:39 PM
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So, doesn’t overheat with the A/C on, or off. Interesting though, when I turn my heater on, both fans come on. Don’t know if that is normal or not.

Top radiator hose is hot. Bottom hose is not.
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Sunday, August 30th, 2020 AT 3:53 PM

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