Oil Pan and Pump removal and installation

Tiny
ANTHONY ALOI
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  • 1992 FORD F-250
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I asked a question previously under engine power loss, but I am past that now. I took a educated guess and went on to remove the oil pump and screen. Following the Haynes manual and reading what others have experienced on-line. I drained the oil, removed the exhaust H-pipe, engine mounting bolts, and unhooked the fan shroud so the fan wouldn't catch it. (My oil pan is pretty corroded so I knew it would be replaced). I put a jack under the pan with wood blocking and started to raise the engine. It seemed to be lifting unevenly, with the passenger side moving higher. I was able to insert a 1 1/2" block on that side but the driver side bell housing has a boss (E40D) that catches the underside of the firewall/floor pan. I tried to shift the jack slightly off center but it didn't help. The most clearance I can get between the engine mount and bracket is about 3/4". It took hours but I was finally able to drop the oil pump and shaft into the pan, but there still wasn't enough clearance to pull the pan out without prying and bending some of the old pan. I did have to rotate the crank some to move the counter weights up out of way, but there is no way I can slide and new pan in and reattach the pump without more room. I keep looking, but I don't know where the hang-up is. The intake manifold is not hitting the firewall yet. Looking a YouTube video's show the engine raised much higher. Please help.
Thursday, October 28th, 2021 AT 8:32 AM

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Tiny
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Hi,

Did you loosen the trans mounting bolts? Is a cooler line hitting?

Do me a favor. Take a look through the pic below. Those are the directions from my manual. See if there is anything that was missed.

Let me know.

Joe
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Thursday, October 28th, 2021 AT 8:17 PM
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Thanks Joe. I did loosen the transmission mounting bolts. There are a few extra items on your list (trans cooler lines and upper intake manifold), but they don't seem to be the problem. What I could see is the bracket that holds a bunch of items that are part of the air injector emission system. It was bound under the wiper motor. I finally got that disconnected along with some of the hosing along the firewall. The intake plenum doesn't seem to be hitting the firewall, yet, but there is a protruding flange/boss which is part of the trans converter housing which is hitting the underside of the firewall on the driver side. I looked at removing the intake plenum, but I can't even find most of the mounting bolts. And there seems to be way more things to disconnect than the book states to get it out. By the way, another thing no one seems to mention the emission items and bracket I mentioned above and that the power steering pump return line, which I found out the hard and messy way had to be disconnected. I'll look again at the plenum. The engine is now shifted left and only has one lifting bracket (driver side). I'm thinking about putting a fabric sling under the whole thing and try and shift it over. Also, I don't know if you remember or received the replies, I tried to send you under the heading "Loss of Power", but upon removing the oil pump I saw that the pick-up screen was mostly clogged. I'm guessing that was the oil pressure problem.
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Saturday, October 30th, 2021 AT 7:46 AM
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Hi,
That would certainly cause low pressure. As far as the issues with lifting the engine, if possible, take a few pics of what is hitting. It seems they make nothing simple anymore.

Take a couple of pics so I can see exactly what is happening. Hopefully, I will have some ideas for you.

Take care,

Joe
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Saturday, October 30th, 2021 AT 8:14 PM
Tiny
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Hey Joe,

I am attaching some photos of the air piping and emission devices/bracket that was hitting the wiper motor. Also, there are pics of the tab on the trans. that's hitting the firewall. I also attached a photo I got off the web which shows this tab on a E40D transmission. It doesn't seem to be for anything unless it's for another vehicle. There is another one on the opposite side at the rear. Maybe they are for mounting the case to a bench for rebuilding purposes?
I am waiting on a 1/4" drive T40 socket which folks on the web say is needed to remove the inside middle bolt on the intake plenum. I don't know how I'm going to get to the rear ones. Is it really necessary to take this off?
Thanks for your help.
Tony

https://photos.app.goo.gl/aAfWWyasyBAuJ9N2A
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Monday, November 1st, 2021 AT 11:38 AM
Tiny
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Tony, I believe those are for production. They are certainly in the way. At this point, if you are not going to be able to clear those tabs, I would unbolt the transmission and separate it from the engine block.

As far as the intake. The manual indicates it needs to be removed. When I deal with something like this, I try to see if there is enough clearance to make it work without removal. If there isn't, then I remove it.

Let me know.

Joe
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Monday, November 1st, 2021 AT 9:46 PM
Tiny
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Thanks Joe,
All those emission pipes along the back are seemingly my problem. I got a few off and got the engine higher but it's still not enough. But it's so close. It looks like the plenum will have to come off in order to remove all that emission piping. I'll start on that and see what happens.
As for the tab on the transmission, I might just cut it off if it serves no purpose anymore.

I still have to deal with broken exhaust studs and the studs I had to cut off on the cat. In order to remove the exhaust pipe. Should they be drilled out or can I heat them and use a punch? Somewhere I heard or read they are pressed in.

Thanks for your help. I'll keep you posted.
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Tuesday, November 2nd, 2021 AT 11:10 AM
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Hi,

Thanks for the update. If you look at the pic below, is that where you had to cut the bolt? If so, to the best of my knowledge, that is threaded. Do you have enough left to get an extractor on?

Joe
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Tuesday, November 2nd, 2021 AT 5:09 PM
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Hi Joe,

That's one of them. I know that's threaded. The others are the four that connect the inlet flange of the cat. To the down pipe.
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Wednesday, November 3rd, 2021 AT 6:43 AM
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Hi,

That looks like an aftermarket part. If the highlighted part below is where you are referring to, is it possible just to drill them out and use a nut and bolt to attach the converter?

Let me know.
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Wednesday, November 3rd, 2021 AT 5:08 PM
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Hey Joe,

It's been a while. I have made progress though. I did have to remove the intake plenum to get the engine high enough to get the pan over the crossmember. I got the new pump installed but had difficulty with the pan and gasket. The gasket was a one-piece rubber and did come with easy ups for the four corners. The problem was the long sides of the gasket would keep sliding into the pan. I had to make over a dozen alignment pins out of all-thread to keep it in line which was working great until I couldn't fit the pan straight up between the engine mounts. I had to use a jack to push the pan past the lower part of the mounts. All said, it probably took me an entire day to get this part done. This doesn't even count the broken pan bolt that was a nightmare to remove. I tried welding a nut to it, but it broke further down. Then I drilled it out and went on to re-tap the hole when the tap broke inside. Luckily, I had a broken tap remover which actually worked. I finally got this done.

Then I moved on to the 4 cat flange studs that I had to cut off earlier. They must be hardened steel, because it took me a couple of days and 3 drill indexes to get through them. Laying on my back on the floor didn't help either since I couldn't get good leverage on the drill. I was trying to remove the cat to use a drill press, but I couldn't get it separated.

So now I can finally move topside, but I have a situation which I didn't bring up earlier. When I removed the intake plenum, the gasket was covered in oil. And the runners were coated too. The only way I can see this occurring is via the PCV. I removed it from the valve cover, and it was wet with oil as was the connecting hoses, but it wasn't frozen or stuck. But if it wasn't sealing under vacuum, would that be the problem?

Thanks again for your help.
Tony
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Monday, November 15th, 2021 AT 12:25 PM
Tiny
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Tony,

You have had your hands full with this one. It's been a tough one. As far as the PCV, oftentimes that is caused by excessive crankcase pressure resulting from a cylinder or piston ring wear. That can allow compressed air to bypass the rings and build up in the crankcase pushing oil into the PCV. At this point, get it back together, and let's see how it runs. Replace or clean the PCV and hose and then we'll watch to see if it continues. If it does, we will need to check engine compression to see if one or more of the cylinders are a bit low.

Please don't be discouraged by this. Although it isn't preferred, most times, the engine will go a lot longer because it really becomes an issue.

Take care and thanks for the update. Let me know how things turn out for you.

Joe
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Monday, November 15th, 2021 AT 5:48 PM
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Hey Joe,

It's been a while. With the cold weather, injuries, getting those exhaust manifold studs out, and just needing some time off, I finally got everything back together. Of course, I have one nut and a bolt left over. I had them in a bag labelled A.I.R. System, but I cannot figure out where anything is missing. Anyway, the truck starts, oil pressure good, no obvious leaks, I now have a somewhat new problem. The truck ran fine before all this, now it idles rough. I had trouble retrieving the EEC-IV codes before using a test light, so I got a reader. During the KOEO test, I got Code's 111 and 114(o). I didn't do the timing test, although the engine rpms did rise for a period and then return to idle, and the KOER test indicated Codes 536, 538 and 632. I don't hear any whistling indicating a vacuum leak, but I'll put a gage on later.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Tony
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Wednesday, January 26th, 2022 AT 8:51 AM
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Tony,

I ran through the codes (see below).

111 Systems good
114 ACT / Air Charge Temp sensor
536 Brake issue
538 Dynamic response test
632 OD cancel switch

Of the codes provided, the only one I feel could be related to the running issue is the ACT code, 114. The sensor plays a role in the air/fuel mixture so that certainly can be causing this type of issue.

I attached a pic of its location below. Inspect it to make sure the wiring wasn't damaged, it's fully connected, and a good connection is being made.

Let me know what you find.

Joe

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Wednesday, January 26th, 2022 AT 4:41 PM
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Hey Joe,

I checked the sensor, and it looks 'dirty', as if it was never touched even after I removed and reinstalled the upper intake. Since I don't know if this code existed before the work, I guess it's difficult to say if this was a problem before. Seems odd the truck ran fine before and was just sitting for an extended period.

I failed to mention that there never was a check engine light on the dash either before the work or now. Does the KOEO test (which passed) just check switches and relays, or does it check these sensors also?

Thanks again for your help.
Tony
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Friday, January 28th, 2022 AT 7:56 AM
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Hi,

The part may have never had a chance to set the code or light. Since it sat for a long time, it is possible that it deteriorated enough to no not work.

I attached a chart below showing the voltages/resistance that you should find based on temperatures. The sensor receives a 5v reference for power. On the opposite end, which is changed based on temperature.

Is this something you are comfortable checking? Also, at least this will help us eliminate it as a problem if it checks good.

As far as what you mentioned above, it isn't uncommon for the CEL not to turn on with the OBD1 systems. Until companies moved to the OBD2, things were still somewhat primitive.

Take a look below and let me know your thoughts. Hang in there. We'll get it figured out one way or another.

Joe

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Friday, January 28th, 2022 AT 6:23 PM
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Joe,

I had to wait a couple of days until the garage got above 20'. This was a bear to get to.

Ambient air temp is 37' F, Voltage at connector is 4.7 VDC and resistance of sensor is 97K Ohms.

Tony
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Wednesday, February 2nd, 2022 AT 11:55 AM
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Hi,

The resistance seems a little high. If you press slightly on the throttle, does the engine then run smoothly?
Joe
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Wednesday, February 2nd, 2022 AT 1:25 PM
Tiny
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Hey Joe,

In Park, it's not too bad, engine swings from about 800+ to 1,000 RPMs. In Drive, it's about 700 +/-. These are estimates off the dash tachometer. In drive it's most notable and increasing engine speed seems to improve it somewhat.

I also rechecked the Air Charge Temp sensor at operating temp. It was reading 7.8K Ohms.

I don't know if this matters, but when I had the upper intake off, I noticed the coolant hose that connects to the throttle body was clogged. I cleaned this out and now the hose to the TB gets hot. It didn't before.

Thanks,
Tony
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Thursday, February 3rd, 2022 AT 8:46 AM
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Is the throttle going up and down? (800 RPMs - 1,000 RPMs)

As far as the hose, chances are it's hot simply because coolant is now flowing through it.

Just for curiosity, have you checked for vacuum leaks?

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

Let me know.

Joe
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Thursday, February 3rd, 2022 AT 2:30 PM
Tiny
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Joe,

What I was trying to say about the line to the TB, was that now it is receiving hot coolant, so the incoming air is being warmed when it wasn't before.
The idle speed wasn't changing rapidly. It was more like, if it were a carb, it was a high idle than slowing as it was warming up.
It eventually settled at 800 900 RPM. I engaged the A/C and it began to lower and reestablished at 800 900 range. This was in Park. When I put it in Drive it dropped to 700, steady, but rough. I raised it to 900, still rough, at 1400, still rough.

Checked vacuum at intake and it was steady at 16.8".

I also checked the voltage at the Idle Air Control valve. It measured 12.36 V. The resistance across the valve was 9.5 Ohms.

I hope this makes what's going on clearer.

Thanks again for all the time you're spending on this.
Tony
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Friday, February 4th, 2022 AT 11:14 AM

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