Engine lost compression?

Tiny
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  • 2001 HONDA ACCORD
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Yes, car body has 230,000+ miles on it. However, motor was purchased 10 months ago from a 2006 Acura Int.

Mil code p1399 for clogged EGR valve/port. I cleaned port and replaced valve and gaskets myself. Car drove fine for 3 days. New code p1399 for again clogged EGR or possible misfire in cylinder 1. Car then didn't start. I changed starter/alternator/battery. Nothing.
Upon changing spark plugs noticed injector 1 wasn't firing. Had a buddy look at the car and he said it sounds like a bent valve. He got it to start, very rough idle, wants to shut off at stops.
It is a 2001, do I continue to pour money into it if its not a bent valve? Or help me decide if it truly is a bent valve and I need to cut my losses.
Saturday, July 27th, 2019 AT 4:57 PM

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Tiny
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Good afternoon,

The first thing I would do is a compression test to verify if you have an internal engine issue.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/the-reasons-for-low-compression

Start there.

Roy
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Saturday, July 27th, 2019 AT 5:00 PM
Tiny
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Hi Roy, I have done a compression test. 4 Cylinders is at 145 psi (mainly the back and third in front) first cylinder has 0 psi 2nd has 20 psi.
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Saturday, July 27th, 2019 AT 5:03 PM
Tiny
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Okay, then the head has to come off to find the failure.

That will be a lot. With 230,000 it will be difficult to say if it is worth fixing. I would figure at least $1,000.00 to start.

Roy
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Saturday, July 27th, 2019 AT 5:16 PM
Tiny
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Thank you Roy, very helpful.
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Saturday, July 27th, 2019 AT 5:19 PM
Tiny
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You are welcome.

Always glad to help.

Roy
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Saturday, July 27th, 2019 AT 5:22 PM
Tiny
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2001 Honda Accord mileage: 98,500. My Accord started running bad, I did a leak down test on it to find no compression in the #1 cylinder. I've taken the head off to find a burnt exhaust valve. Should I have the head sent out to have it magnifluxed or am I ok to go back together just lapping the valve in. The head looks good, no other burnt valves, really clean. One more thing, they say the price on the head gasket is $80. This seems awful high to me. I appreciate your time in this matter.
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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In your situation, we would grind all the valves and valve seats. Check the valve guides for wear and replace all the valve stem seals and the head resurfaced. If your engine has been overheated or if you are concerned, have the head checked for cracks.
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
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I have a 2000 Honda Accord w/a VTEC 4 cylinder engine that has poor compression in one of the cylinders. The "bad" cylinder has only 60 lbs of pressure where as the other 3 cylinders have 175-200 approx. We have not gone any further into the cylinder diagnosis yet - what would you say I might be looking for?
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Did you do both wet and dry test? Also confirm it with a leakdown test.
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
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We had only done the dry test, next we were going to do a leakdown test.
Typical causes? - What would you say I might be looking for?
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
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Check valve clearance! Failure to piston rings in Honda is not very common, unless you overheated engine.
This is important, if the vavle cearance goes under lower tolerance, it starts to burn valve, and progress can be quick.
If this is the case adjust this particular valve with +0.05 mm over max tolerance value. For example if the clearance is 0.25 +/- 0.05 mm adjust to 0.035 mm. Run car for 500 to 1000 miles, check valve gap and compression again. If compression is back to aceptable value, you are lucky.
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
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I have a 2000 Honda Accord Sedan 350,000 miles. I recently go a compression test showed which showed 120, 90, 70 and 60 pounds of pressure in each of the cylinders. Do you have an idea about what the compression test means about the engine?
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
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That refers to how hard each piston is squeezing the air it sucks in. Even 120 pounds is low. The rest are real low. That can be expected with such high mileage. Piston rings seal the air in and prevent it from leaking out into the lower part of the engine where the oil is. Those rings normally wear with age. There's also valves that let the air in and the exhaust out. Over time they too will not seal as well as when they were new.

A compression test is just a fast way of determining the quality of each cylinder and its ability to make power equal to all the other cylinders. Your mechanic can also do a more involved "cylinder leakage" test, or "cylinder leak down" test. That will identify exactly what is responsible for the low compression. They will likely elect to not do that test with the mileage you listed because everything is going to be worn. No professional will do a valve job, for example, and leave all the other worn parts in the engine. This is likely a case where the engine served you well but it's time for a total rebuild.
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
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So I basically need a new engine?
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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It has 350,000 miles. It doesn't owe you anything.

You haven't described any problem or symptom so it's impossible to know what the best remedy is. You also have to look at how the compression test was done and if correct procedure was followed. The same conditions must be present for each cylinder's test. Looking at the numbers you listed, with each one getting lower in order, you'd have to suspect the procedure might be at fault. First of all, a battery charger should be attached to the battery and set to a slow charge rate. The compression test requires cranking the engine at least five revolutions and doing so runs the battery down. By the time you get to the last cylinder, it's going to be cranking slower which will make the readings lower.

During cranking, oil gets scraped off the cylinder walls. That oil helps the piston rings seal and do their job. It gets sprayed onto the cylinder walls when the engine is running at normal speed. When cranking the engine, it's running too slowly to spray oil so by the time you get to the last cylinder, it's going to read lower than normal. Experienced mechanics will check for that by repeating the test on the first cylinder after all four have been done. If it reads a lot lower than the first time it was tested, the procedure is more to blame than the engine wear.

The engine must also be warmed up before starting the compression test. If the mechanic gets interrupted in the middle of the test and the engine has time to cool down, parts contract and don't fit properly. The piston rings won't seal as well as normal.
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
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On initially turning over the engine compression is observed for two strokes with a backfire resulting. The engine then rotates freely with no compression. I initially thought it was the starter motor. The starter motor is okay. On doing a compression test as I said above, no compression was detected in any cylinder. Checking the timing belt all is okay with timing markers aligned. There is a strong spark across all spark plugs. The fuel pump was defective and was replaced. Initially started the car re-positioned it about 20m away and then turned it off. It was working perfectly. However since then it refuses to start. All fuses have been checked.
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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I am a little confused with some of the info that you provided only because some of it is not related to the compression of the engine. Let's start with this guide that explains what and why you need compression:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/what-is-engine-compression

Then we need to move onto finding out why you have no compression. So when you say you have no compression, what was the actual PSI reading on the gauge? Was it 0 PSI on each cylinder? If so, I would think we have a hole in the block or the head is not sealing.

Can you get a recording of what the engine sounds like when you are cranking it over? Thanks
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
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1997 Honda Accord 6 cyl Front Wheel Drive Automatic

why is there no compression on 4 of the 6 cylinders on this 2.7 accord.I pulled the head off in the front and no valves are bent.I just changed the timing belt and didnt start.#1 and #4 have 140 and 120psi. The rest have o psi !
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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You need to verify the valve timing
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM (Merged)
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I lined up the marks on the gears but it still wont fire and the compression was as I explained. What can be 180 degrees out? The cam or crank?
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