Intermittent A/C compressor clutch not working properly?

Tiny
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I recently got this truck and have only driven it once for any length of time. During that drive I thought it was kind of cooling, but the air coming out was too weak. I have since removed the blower and cleaned the evaporator best I could and that greatly increased the amount of air blowing when the A/C is turned on. I tested it again to see if it was cooling and I did not feel any cool air coming out. I turned it all on and watched the compressor clutch to make sure it was working. It seemed to engage, but only when the truck was going above idle or revs up on its own. I checked two other vehicles and their compressor clutch engaged constantly during my couple minute viewing. Might I have a bad switch or bad relay? I am just now learning how many different parts to a cars A/C. What should I look for or try? Thanks
Sunday, July 17th, 2022 AT 8:52 AM

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Tiny
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Hi,

The idea that the compressor engages when the engine RPMs increase makes me think it is low on Freon. However, I need you to explain what was meant by the engine revs by itself.

As far as charging it, here is a link that explains how it's done. Since it is unlikely that you have a system to evacuate and recharge the system, this will help us identify if the pressure on the low side of the compressor is within spec.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/air-conditioner-how-to-add-freon

Additionally, here is a link you may find helpful as well:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-air-conditioner-not-working-or-is-weak

Let me know what you find.

Take care,

Joe
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Sunday, July 17th, 2022 AT 11:00 PM
Tiny
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Hi, since I asked the question, here is what I have done and think I know. I went ahead and replaced the relay in the fuse box, the one it it looked like one the 5 contacts had broken off, that did not make any difference in what was happening. I thought the same thing about low on Freon, I got some getting ready to try to recharge it myself, watched more videos on YouTube and saw the gauge that came with the Freon can said I had too much, and one video said do not use stuff that is supposed to seal leaks. So, I did not recharge the freon. I did get the Freon to an acceptable amount according to the Freon gauge that came with the can and that did not seem to help either. I went ahead and got a new low-pressure switch. I do believe that is the only thing that changed anything I was seeing, still hot air coming out but now the compressor clutch was never engaging, and the engine was not revving up (I mean engine idle speed never goes higher, like someone is in the car giving it a little gas). Hope that helps. I'm now at a loss as to what to do next. I was going to view the videos you sent me and then try switching the old relay and the old low-pressure switch to see if either of those caused the compressor clutch to stop engaging and the engine to stop revving up on its own. I plan on trying to return the can of r-134a I had gotten to recharge the system, but that has the only gauge I have the helps me know the level of Freon. I look forward to your next reply and thanks for helping!
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Monday, July 18th, 2022 AT 9:44 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

When you had the gauge on the system, was it too high? Also, the engine RPM increase at idle is to prevent the engine from stalling with the added load of the compressor. Are you sure the relay and fuses in the vehicle presently are good?

Joe
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Monday, July 18th, 2022 AT 1:18 PM
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Yes sir, it was in the red. That was with the engine off, with engine on it would go from high to low, back, and forth. It currently stays in the mid green area at all times engine off or on. The engine RPM would increase, and compressor clutch would spin and then decrease and stop spinning, it would repeat that every few seconds. After getting the gauge in the green the compressor clutch never spins. I replaced the relay and the low-pressure switch, and checked the two ten-amp fuses, all of that seemed to be in good shape. Kept the old parts, just in case. I also have a 1990 Silverado and just thought maybe I could pull parts off of it as well if I need to, not worried about the A/C on that truck. I think those parts should be interchangeable.
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Monday, July 18th, 2022 AT 2:15 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

If it originally went into the red with the engine off, it sounds like the compressor is bad or it is overcharged. With the engine off, the pressure should equalize. Also, it shouldn't be jumping from high to low.

What was done to keep it in the green? Also, is there a way you could get your hands on an A/C manifold set of gauges? I need to know what the actual low and high-pressure sides of the system are reading. Additionally, the outside temperature when checked is needed as well.

Take a look through this link. It shows the gauge set I'm referring to.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/re-charge-an-air-conditioner-system

Joe

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Monday, July 18th, 2022 AT 9:34 PM
Tiny
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I do believe it was overcharged and I let freon out until the gauge I had said it was in the green, which I think it was between 40 and 50 PSI on the gauge and outside temperature would have been mid to upper 90s. I just tried to check again to give you a little better and more accurate info, but I got no pressure reading off that gauge at all, engine on or off, and nothing activating the compressor. I now have something more pressing going on with my daily driver, and that has to be resolved before I can put much more effort into this A/C problem. I was going to put all the old parts back on and see if that changes anything, but all my tools are in my daily driver and currently not with me. The no pressure at all has me puzzled and I at least have to get freon with no leak stuff just to make sure I don't do more damage until I know it has a leak. That is where I am at the moment.
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Tuesday, July 19th, 2022 AT 7:09 AM
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Hi,

Certainly, you have a leak. Also, if the system was overcharged, it wouldn't work properly. By any chance, did you add PAG oil to the system?

Let me know.

Joe
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Tuesday, July 19th, 2022 AT 7:21 PM
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No sir, I have not added anything. What do I need to do next? Add Pag oil and the r-134a with leak sealer and go from there? It is an 18oz can. Can I ask how it was overcharged if it has a leak?
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Tuesday, July 19th, 2022 AT 8:21 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

If nothing was opened, the oil should be fine. As far as being overcharged, there is only one way that could have happened. If you checked before it leaked, it wouldn't have gone down. This is only a theory.

Joe
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Tuesday, July 19th, 2022 AT 9:45 PM
Tiny
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Okay, should I add the R-134a with leak stop and see what happens or find R-134a without leak stop? The only thing I opened was when I let Freon out to get it from red down to green on the gauge and when I changed the low pressure switch, I heard a little come out.
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Wednesday, July 20th, 2022 AT 5:58 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

Since we suspect there is a leak, I would use the one with the leak stop.

Let me know.

Take care.

Joe
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Wednesday, July 20th, 2022 AT 8:44 PM
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Hi, I am back at it today, I think from what I have learned so far I am just going to add a small can of just R-134a and go from there. Will keep you up to date on how it goes after that.
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Monday, July 25th, 2022 AT 9:11 AM
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Hi again, I felt cold air! Now I have to wait and see if it does have a leak or not before trying to return the freon that had leak stop stuff in it too and go from there. I did not need a new relay and will check and see if I needed a low pressure switch, if not I will try to return both of those as well. Will keep you up to date as I go if you want and thanks for all your help. Hopefully I know enough to go from here.
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Monday, July 25th, 2022 AT 9:49 AM
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Ok, maybe 1 more question, it got to about 30psi, in my mind that is good enough, but should I go further and just never go over 50psi?
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Monday, July 25th, 2022 AT 10:38 AM
Tiny
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Hi:

A good low pressure reading has to be based on the outside temperature when tested. If you have 30 psi, I would think the ambient temperature would have been under 70 F when tested. Is that the case? If not, let me know what the temp was when checked.

As far as 50 psi being a max, once it reaches approx 85F degrees or higher outside, it can reach 55 psi. I wouldn't let it exceed that.

Let me know the temp when checked.

Take care,

Joe
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Monday, July 25th, 2022 AT 8:14 PM
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Thanks, I keep forgetting the outside temps affect the psi readings. It was roughly 90 degrees when I added the 12oz can, psi went from 0 to barely above 30. Roughly my temperature was 90. I did go back shortly after doing that and the the psi had dropped a little and the clutch wasn't staying on the whole time. I then tried to make sure I finished off the entire can, it never went much past 30 psi so I figured that was all the can was going to do. What psi should I aim for when it is 90 degrees? I basically am stuck between 80 to 100 degrees for a good while. I foresee me asking if there is a leak, should I let it all out and then use the whole can with "leak sealer" or just use part of that can once I am certain it has a leak some where? Thanks again
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Monday, July 25th, 2022 AT 9:14 PM
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Hi,

If the ambient temperature is approximately 90F, I would expect the low pressure to be somewhere between 45 psi and 50 PSI.

I would rather see you use only the freon with stop leak. Hopefully, that will take care of the issue.

Here is a link you may find of interest:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/air-conditioner-leak-detection

Take care and let me know how things turn out for you.

Joe
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Monday, July 25th, 2022 AT 10:15 PM
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Hi, I'm at a loss as to what to do again. I waited for the temperature to get to 90 and was going to get the PSI up to 45 or 50 like you recommended. I checked with engine off and it was well over 50 PSI, turned engine and A/C on and still well above 50. What am I doing wrong? I expected 30 PSI or less. I do have to jump start the compressor clutch to make sure it is constantly moving when I try to add freon. I never felt any cold air coming out as well.
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Wednesday, July 27th, 2022 AT 10:01 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

When the system is off, the static pressure will equalize, so higher pressure with it off doesn't surprise me. When it was on, what was the low pressure? Also, wasn't it just 30 PSI the other day?

Let me know.

Joe
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Wednesday, July 27th, 2022 AT 7:59 PM
Tiny
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Yes sir, it was just 30 PSI and then you told me it needed to be 45-50 on a 90-degree day, but when I tried to add more to get it to at least 45 it was saying it had somehow gotten well over 50, even with engine on and A/C running. Low pressure is the only pressure I can currently test.
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Thursday, July 28th, 2022 AT 3:06 AM

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