If I press down more than 1/4 throttle engine stumbles and shuts off

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Something like this?

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/mr-gasket-fuel-regulator-9710/6340000-P?searchTerm=universal+fuel+pressure+regulator

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Monday, July 15th, 2019 AT 4:30 PM
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I think this is it... I'll have to check mine to verify the pressure range, but it seems right. Initial setting was the 6psi,I mentioned before. (Either way it looks and connects the same.)

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/holley-fuel-pressure-regulator-12-803/17120441-P?searchTerm=Holley+fuel+regulator
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Monday, July 15th, 2019 AT 4:39 PM
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The Teflon tape or Teflon paste will work for the fittings.

Are you still using the original type fuel filter which has 3 connections, one being the return line to the fuel tank?

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Tuesday, July 16th, 2019 AT 6:07 PM
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Good deal, just finished reinstalling the regulator with Teflon at the fittings. Wasn't sure it'd hold up to the fuel

No, I haven't got the 3 port filter or return line installed. Had some issues removing the fuel tank to install the new return.
He'll eventually have the factory setup again.

Took a little 15 second video of the stumble. Going to try to figure out what it takes to upload to YouTube. Once I do, I'll post a link to it for ya.
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Tuesday, July 16th, 2019 AT 6:22 PM
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Let's see if this works.

https://youtu.be/rGrExHFPP8g
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Tuesday, July 16th, 2019 AT 6:28 PM
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You don't have to upload to YouTube, you just upload directly to this site. Could you do that again without the air cleaner on, want to see what the secondaries are doing as the throttle opens, also open it a bit slower please.
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Tuesday, July 16th, 2019 AT 11:34 PM
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I'll get one this evening. Kinda doubt my neighbors want to hear me racking the pipes at 7:00 am. Lol
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 4:22 AM
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Oh and to add to it, while you are testing, get a can of carburetor cleaner and as you rev the engine and it starts to die off, spray some into the carburetor, if it suddenly wakes up and runs better, you know it's starving for fuel.
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 11:35 AM
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That seems so obvious that I'm wondering why I haven't already done it! Hahaha
Thanks bud
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 11:50 AM
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Good call on the carburetor cleaner while accelerating, Steve W.
I have 2 videos. 1 with slow acceleration to stumble the other I think I accelerated a little too quickly, but it does include carburetor cleaner with an improvement. I'm hoping you're able to see the butterflies in both videos.

Let me know if you can't and need a better view or anything.
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 4:44 PM
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Is Mr. Regulator directional? (Arrows?)

Sounds fuelish.

Running the proper pressure?

Maybe too much pressure?

Bowl level is correct?

Mix screws are correct?

Maybe the jets are too big for the 258 (I'm running 52s-soon to be 51s soon!

Has it ever run well with this carburetor?

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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 7:19 PM
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It looks like the secondaries are not adding any fuel? Cannot tell for sure but I can see the accelerator pump squirt on the primaries, and fuel spray there. The other side looks dry. Do you see fuel on the other side?

Medic, from his earlier posts it seems it hasn't run with this set up for at least two owners.
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 7:22 PM
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Regulator is directional (in through bottom abd an outlet either side)

Fuel pressure is at 6psi and my gauge was leaking fuel a little. (Very little) Carburetor had the same reaction with 10psi unregulated.

Have not had a chance to double check bowl level. However, I believe I had them set correctly

Mix screws are each out 1.25 turns from seated

Jets are the stock 57s (I thought about testing with smaller, maybe the 52s you're running?)

I bought the jeep with this carburetor thinking it was going to be a simple mixture screw adjustment issue and ended up here when it wasn't
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 7:26 PM
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Steve W

From what I've heard from Holley. The vacuum secondaries will only engage under a load and will not be visible "in the driveway" (No, I haven't seen fuel in the secondaries.)
From what I've noticed this stumble is preventing the engine from pulling enough load to open the secondaries while going down the road. I'm now thinking I need to try the "paperclip test" to see if the secondaries are opening.

Both of y'all
Can you see my frustration? Lol
I will happily retest anything I've tried and any/all new tests y'all have. I want him on the road!
Thanks again
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 7:33 PM
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That picture was meant for my last answer.

I don't think the vacuum secondaries can kick in with the vacuum being high.

I think his is like mine, no squirters on the secondary side, I feel sure the other end will be dry until it's on the road under load.

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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 7:37 PM
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No squirter on the secondary side (single pumper not double) there are jets. The jets are stock on both sides at 57.

This carb wants 7psi at idle (optimal per Holley specs) I'm 1psi low right now
I think it wants 4.5psi to run & can't remember off hand how many gpms it wants

Edit: I'll try to get a pic of my regulator and filter setup in the morning (still only have the 2 port filter installed.)
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 7:53 PM
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Try reaching in there with a tool and opening the secondaries as it stumbles. If it starts running better it shows a definite lack of fuel. Pressure wise I don't think you need to worry yet, The higher pressure just ensures the bowls are kept full under higher flow, at the moment you cannot get that engine to run hard enough for that to be an issue.
I'm wondering if a tear down and trip through an ultrasonic cleaner would help. It sure acts like a fuel issue. How old is the fuel in the system and is it pure gas or ethanol?
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 9:39 PM
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I've manually opened the secondaries as it stumbled and, yes, it picked up and ran/sounded great.

I was just sitting here wondering; if my jets are too big and my vacuum is a lot higher than Holley expected. Could my vacuum be sucking all the fuel outta the primary bowl?

Here's why I'm thinking that; stock power valve is 2.5. Makes me think Holley built it for about 6 in hg. Whereas I have nearly 20 at idle (full manifold vacuum) I've tried the 10.5pv but still had the 57 jets.

It seems to me that I should be running a smaller jets (maybe the 52) with something like a 10.5 or 11.5 power valve.

Am I way off track or does any of this seem logical?

Edit: forgot to answer your fuel question. It is ethanol gas, less than a week old. Been started everyday up to operating temp too
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 9:47 PM
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That's one of the things I'm wondering if the engine needs more flow. Perhaps a bit of power valve and spring changes to get the secondaries to tip in earlier?
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Thursday, July 18th, 2019 AT 9:18 AM
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I've got a vacuum spring set. I'll install the lightest and change to the 10.5 pv tonight.
It'll have to be after dinner with my daughter thi, so a bit later than usual. (Probably around 730-8 Central time)
Cross your fingers for me!
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Thursday, July 18th, 2019 AT 10:20 AM

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