Intermittent carburetor backfiring on both sides

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It goes the way you had it earlier with the slot up. On a vacuum secondary unit that is a limiter link. When the secondary's are opened up by the vacuum then it will work as intended.

Part 45-377 $15.00
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Saturday, May 15th, 2021 AT 8:43 PM
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Is that on Holley's site?
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Sunday, May 16th, 2021 AT 5:35 PM
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Yes. Looks like they have it on both their own site and their Amazon store.
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Sunday, May 16th, 2021 AT 6:21 PM
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I looked for like an hour. I didn't have a part number just their description from their parts page "Therm Housing Clamp" that matched nothing at Advanced Auto, Jegs, Summit, Holley, or Amazon which didn't even show up in the search. Why wouldn't they include the part number on their stupid sheet? The worst instructions, and exploded part view is so bad you can't even make out a lot of the parts. Thanks.
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Sunday, May 16th, 2021 AT 6:28 PM
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https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/carburetor_components/choke_and_vacuum_secondary_components/choke_components/parts/45-377
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Sunday, May 16th, 2021 AT 6:54 PM
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I'm missing a post I did last night with 3 images of the parts I have leftover or were in the rebuild box, the parts that are on the diagram that I don't have listed by number and the parts circled on the diagram match the part's list. Many of the leftover parts are mostly from the rebuild box are mostly pins but there are a couple I ID by number but not sure how they attach. I need to know if I'm missing parts that should be included that were never there so I can order them. Did you take it down?
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Monday, May 17th, 2021 AT 6:47 PM
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I cannot remove posts other than editing my own. However there are some special characters that will prevent a post from showing on the list as they are ones that control the posting software. Those could be the issue.
As far as the rebuild parts, most of the kits include parts that may not be on your particular carburetor. The HIC valve is on the side of the carburetor body behind the choke coil housing. I don't see it in the video but some carburetors didn't use it either. For the bearings, those are for the throttle shafts to make up for wear so you don't have vacuum leaks. For those you just try to move the shafts in the bore up and down and side to side. There shouldn't be any play. If there is any use the bearing that tightens it up. For the fast idle parts, If you don't have part 39 attached to the carburetor then you likely don't have it as it would be hard to miss as it's a large aluminum part.
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Tuesday, May 18th, 2021 AT 12:55 PM
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That was a bit too techy for me pictures are worth a thousand words. I know some of those names but not all so let me give you a different image to work from. These are all the things that I know came out of the carb (ignoring washers, and pins which I replaced as I went along. There are 4 items here. The plastic piece is #35 but I don't grasp how it goes in.
The bearing I thought came out of one of the holes at the front or back like on the next picture but that doesn't make sense. The screw I think is the screw to hold on the piece going to the secondary accelerator rod at the bottom of the carb. And the last piece is a plug of some sort that has a hex head and threads but I can't picture where it came from. In the 3rd image note that without the electric choke attached I can close the plate 100%.
I thought Finally, I could only get 6 of the 8 plugs out. I'd have to have the others done at the shop as the headers and the steering gear, well I'm sure it's not the first time you've heard this. Gas fouled plugs, everyone. In fact, gas actually dripped out of one of the spark plug holes.
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Wednesday, May 19th, 2021 AT 6:06 PM
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The holes are bowl vents, they won't have anything in them normally, unless it has the curved vents or it gets set up to be used with a blow through turbo system. I have seen people put fuel cell foam in them so the air can vent but keep fuel from escaping, but that's rare. The only bearings would be around the throttle shafts and then only if the bores are worn as those and the vacuum taps are the only places air can cause issues. The choke can be adjusted once on the car. It should close almost all the way then, you just tap the throttle to release it and it closes. Then you adjust it to open as needed to keep the engine running.
Those plugs show me that the carb is jetted far to rich. But that can be remedied once you get it running by doing plug runs, or if you wanted the high tech way you could install a sensor in the exhaust and use an on board meter to watch the mix, just like a modern car, but you become the computer and adjust the carb until it's correct. Yeah, BTDT on plugs. You might want to go up a couple heat ranges to start, just to keep from fouling them during testing, then dial those in once you have it running properly.
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Wednesday, May 19th, 2021 AT 6:41 PM
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The high idle is to step up for A/C? I guess if you're sitting at a light although I haven't used the A/C since it came back. I'm wondering why I wouldn't need it?
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Wednesday, May 19th, 2021 AT 8:09 PM
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Do you have a picture of where you think this bearing goes? That might trigger my memory. You did note that I took 1 away because only one bearing was found during the deconstruction. The other was in the refresh kit.
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Wednesday, May 19th, 2021 AT 8:14 PM
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The bearings go around these throttle shafts on the outside of the throttle body, if needed. The split in them lets you put them over the shafts and slip them in place. The solid cap style normally goes on the opposite side over the end of the secondary shaft as a bearing and seal.
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Wednesday, May 19th, 2021 AT 10:48 PM
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I'm talking about the ball bearing that's in the box. I also need to know about the hex plug and that odd black plastic which is #35 on the list from the box picture which I just found out wasn't the right picture so I'm adding it here. It may not be the jetting it may be the lack of spark too or both?

What holds those plastic bearings in place from sliding along the rod?
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Friday, May 21st, 2021 AT 4:00 PM
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The bearings set in there and they have a slight taper that keeps them in place. The ball bearing might be a replacement for the check ball in the secondary's. As I said some have it some don't, they may have included it just in case you needed it.

I don't recognize that part. I don't recall any plastic looking like that on any of the Holleys I've worked on, but it has been a while. It sort of resembles the vent rod clamp bot those used only one screw.

I think you have an issue in both areas. The jetting is rich and you have an ignition problem. I would try to tackle the carb first and see if you can get it dialed in first, the new hotter plugs will help keep it running while you do that. Then once you get it close you can get the ignition sorted. Then the final tuning to get the carb fully set up. Then you can change the plugs to ones that stay clean and don't run hot. When was the last time it actually ran real good? Before they did whatever to it? If so then maybe reverse that modification or at least rule out it having any effect on the engine.
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Friday, May 21st, 2021 AT 11:15 PM
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The ball bearing came out of the carburetor. It's not extra just like the hex plug. They came from the carb. I just can't come up with where they belong or how they attach.

The screw is to hold the Diaphragm lever assy. I just found how the metering body vent valve #35 goes into the metering block, I'll have to deconstruct it again. What does it do?

Now I edited this and all of it disappeared. What the hell?

121 is the Pump discharge check ball and 120 is the Pump discharge weight. The reconstruction didn't mention these parts but they are on the exploded view and chart. Just another Holley oversight. Any way on the exploded view it says the check ball and weight are not used except for mid-70s carburetors or earlier. I didn't think my carburetor was that old but it did have the check ball in the pump discharge "stack" but it didn't have a weight.

Read on about the weight from an article I found on carberatorblog.

Holley 1940 Check Weight

This is the Holley 1940 check weight. These are not produced and if you lose your check weight, then your choices are to find a donor carburetor or make your own. This one is a bit harder than most because it is a hex-shaped weight. I would say the most important spec is the weight. Too much weight and the check ball will not lift as it should. Here are the specifications. Brass 1 gram in weight 7/16" long 5/32" wide, point to point of the hex.

An alternative is to add 1 more check ball on top of the 1st check ball. This is not the preferred method but will get you by.

Now you know but what to do? Do I include it and make a weight somehow or do I leave it out entirely, or put it back with just the one check ball or do the un-preferred method of using a 2nd check ball? What does all this accomplish if it's done properly or not at all?

The hex plug is the last piece.
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Saturday, May 22nd, 2021 AT 1:09 PM
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That piece acts as a baffle. Holley makes multiple versions of each carb and the sheets are sort of generic and usually show the "common" parts used. However because of the way they are able to be tuned people or companies will add things. When GM used a Holley as OEM, there were parts on them that GM made in house that didn't show up on Holley sheets because of that. They normally would show up in factory service books though.
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Saturday, May 22nd, 2021 AT 6:59 PM
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I don't think you saw this part because it disappeared twice

121 is the pump discharge check ball and 120 is the Pump discharge weight. The reconstruction didn't mention these parts but they are on the exploded view and chart. Just another Holley oversight. Anyway, on the exploded view it says the check ball and weight are not used except for mid-70s carburetors or earlier. I didn't think my carburetor was that old but it did have the check ball in the pump discharge "stack" but it didn't have a weight.

Read on about the weight from an article I found on carberatorblog.

Holley 1940 Check Weight

This is the Holley 1940 check weight. These are not produced and if you lose your check weight, then your choices are to find a donor carburetor or make your own. This one is a bit harder than most because it is a hex-shaped weight. I would say the most important spec is the weight. Too much weight and the check ball will not lift as it should. Here are the specifications. Brass 1 gram in weight 7/16" long 5/32" wide, point to point of the hex.

An alternative is to add 1 more check ball on top of the 1st check ball. This is not the preferred method but will get you by.

Now you know but what to do? Do I include it and make a weight somehow or do I leave it out entirely, or put it back with just the one check ball or do the un-preferred method of using a 2nd check ball? What does all this accomplish if it's done properly or not at all?
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Saturday, May 22nd, 2021 AT 8:04 PM
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I doubt it's that early as well since it would need to be a first generation carburetor as the 4160 wasn't introduced until 1972. I doubt it had the check weight but like everything else it may have had one that was removed in an earlier rebuild or someone tuned it and left it out. No real way to tell at this point.
Those part stop fuel flow out of the nozzles from the accelerator pump unless it's actually in use. The ball sets in there and stops the fuel. The only way to tell if you need it is to put the carburetor together and then run it. Now shut it off and look inside the carburetor, if fuel is still coming out you need the weight. Personally I wouldn't worry much unless it becomes an issue. There are places that make that weight but they get like $10.00 for something you can make out of other materials. The weight is the important item, the PE part is hex but you could use square or even fluted material as long as it weighs the correct amount.
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Saturday, May 22nd, 2021 AT 10:17 PM
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Hopefully, this is the last putting it together question. When I took it apart the choke housing has that brass hook that sits inside that arm and when I was checking it out I noticed that it was under a vacuum. That vacuum is no more. Has something gone wrong? There is a hole that looks like it's been plugged with plumbers putty or something but I tried to put my finger over it to see if that would put the suction back but it didn't. I'm at a loss to know if the part has become damaged or will fix itself when installed and on the car but since it's acting differently. How do I know it will work correctly when reinstalled?
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Monday, May 24th, 2021 AT 6:52 PM
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Should be okay to put it together as is.
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Tuesday, May 25th, 2021 AT 4:47 AM

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