Wiring diagram for ECT sensor and sender units needed

Tiny
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Good LordI seems to be '' wanting for a clue, any clue!
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Sunday, September 5th, 2021 AT 1:30 PM
Tiny
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Hi, every good body here, it's been quite a while like you say out there.
Here are my updates for the PCM issue. All this time that I had been here in Istanbul unfortunately came to no positive result with my friends in the states, neither the one to buy me a second-hand PCM nor the one to buy the Genesys OTC scanner thru eBay did any of those requests. I am still here waiting for the first week of November to have the Gama Knife radiotherapy for my wife away from my country and car. This break had me thinking of asking another friend to find me a PCM as he arrived to USA a week ago. The same long break also had me thinking the car issue over more and more. We had some schematic diagrams from you my friends which showed 2 Fusible Links within the main harness in front of the engine. The nature of stalling I used to have seems to match an ( On- pause- Off) case as if a weak link is getting overloaded with current to the extent of " fusing " causing the PCM to shut the engine Off, then as it cools (due to the engine not operating for some minutes) it looks as if it cools down resuming the conductivity status it basically has, allowing for the engine to start once again upon cranking via the starter motor. Also, this can explain why sometimes the engine would be "coming back to life" while the car is moving, the RPM simply jumps up denoting a resuming of ignition without me interfering or doing anything. The cycle goes on like that. Whether my analogy matches the real case or not, I am asking here: Do you have any idea where I can locate these two fusible links? Referring to our previous dispatches here, upon dismantling of the whole harness around the engine block, I came to few wires (mostly red thick ones or brown some other time) clipped by a copper clips altogether (see the attached images). I mistook that copper clip for the fusible link, but I seem to have gone wrong with that understanding.
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Sunday, October 24th, 2021 AT 6:12 AM
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You're over-thinking the fuse link wires. They are simply a short piece of wire that's of a smaller diameter than the wire it protects, making it the weak link in the chain. Also, their insulation will not melt or burn. I pointed out one of your fuse links with the blue arrow. This circuit has nothing to do with the starter circuit. GM simply likes to use the large copper terminal on the starter solenoid as a convenient tie point rather than running that wire all the way back to the battery. Often, you'll find two or three fuse links attached to that stud.

You can buy replacement fuse link wire from an auto parts store. They come in lengths roughly 12" long and can be cut to make multiple repairs. The color of the insulation denotes the current rating, just as it does with regular fuses.

The length of fuse link wire you splice in is not important. It only takes a fraction of an inch to protect the rest of the wire.

Fuse links are not intermittent. As with regular fuses, when the wire burns open, it's done and has to be cut out and replaced. While I've never seen this, it might be possible to develop a corroded solder joint where the link is spliced to the regular wire, but as you can see on your car, those joints are sealed with moisture-proof heat shrink tubing. That has a hot-melt glue inside to seal better than regular heat-shrink tubing.

Unlike regular fuses, there is one thing that really causes some confusion with fuse link wires. When the wire burns open, at the end of the process there's some arcing that leaves a carbon track behind. If there's no load on the circuit, meaning no current trying to flow through that carbon, a digital voltmeter will "see" the full 12 volts further down the line. That falsely tells you there's 12 volts there and the circuit should be working, but it isn't. Here's where I tell people to use a test light instead of the digital voltmeter. Test lights operate by the current flow making the bulb light up. This has to be a standard, inexpensive test light, not one of the new ones with all kinds of circuitry inside. The test light will correctly show the circuit is dead. You can prove this to yourself even further by testing with the voltmeter first and finding the false 12 volts; then test with the test light at the same time while the voltmeter is still connected. You'll see the 12 volts drop to 0 volts as soon as the test light is connected.

Fuse link wires are used in some circuits because of their "slow-blow", or delayed response characteristic. This makes them desirable for motor circuits because those have a very high starting current that drops to a safe level once the motor gets up to speed. If a regular fuse was used for a radiator fan motor, for example, the fuse would have to be big enough to handle that high start-up current, and that could make it too big to protect the wiring if the motor developed tight bearings. Fuse link wires won't be used to protect a computer because if something inside the computer were to short, the wires and other parts of the computer would be damaged by the excessive current long before the fuse wire finally burned open. The only time you might find a fuse link wire feeding a computer is when that circuit also feeds other things that do draw high current at times. In cases like that you might find as many as a dozen wires branching off from one fuse link wire.

To test a fuse link wire, just gently tug on it. If it feels like a wire, it's okay. If it's burned open, it will stretch like a rubber band.
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Sunday, October 24th, 2021 AT 6:06 PM
Tiny
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Great dispatch, as of all late ones of yours dear expert. The reason why I overthought the fusible links is because I had never known how they look and where are they. The image I included was not about the typical copper terminals that are usually there on the starter solenoid studs but the one that is raised up leaving the engine lubricant white filter in its background. It looked like a fusible link to me. I will conduct the tests you kindly suggested once I am back home hoping that a PCM is managed by then so that I be replacing mine. I am totally indebted for your generous assistance.
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Sunday, October 24th, 2021 AT 10:42 PM
Tiny
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My friend found this PCM of a Beretta suitable for Oldsmobile Achieva and suitable also for my very car exactly costing only 12 used!
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Monday, October 25th, 2021 AT 5:45 PM
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It needs to be the exact part number of your old one.

Then you will need to have it flashed to your VIN number for it to work.

Roy
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Tuesday, October 26th, 2021 AT 2:55 AM
Tiny
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A tough complimentary commitment for me! I hope that the Iraqi expert back home will rise to his vows and be able to do all that using his scanner. The ID number shown on the proposed Beretta PCM matches that of my faulty PCM, only that quadruple letters code differs.
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Tuesday, October 26th, 2021 AT 3:06 AM
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Those are the calibration codes for all the accessories. Flashing should take care of that.

Roy
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Tuesday, October 26th, 2021 AT 3:24 AM
Tiny
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The seller/flagship1, you may well know of this American supplier/said it needs no flashing, plug-and-play since the ID number is the same. Quite obviously, he is paying no attention for the calibration code. I asked my friend / the one who bought it yesterday/ to find someone around his place in Irvine- California, some technician who can flash the unit prior to shipping it to Iraq.
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Tuesday, October 26th, 2021 AT 12:24 PM
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I agree. Make sure you send them your VIN number so they can flash your VIN number into the ECM.

Roy
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Tuesday, October 26th, 2021 AT 1:37 PM
Tiny
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I already had it forwarded to my friend.
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Tuesday, October 26th, 2021 AT 1:46 PM
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Good. You should be good to go.

Roy
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Tuesday, October 26th, 2021 AT 2:23 PM
Tiny
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Dear Roy, I have this thing to tell you here. As far as I had been investigating the local Iraqi industrial areas where all auto services and spare parts dealers are usually condensed outside residential sectors/ for this issue/ covered all specialists with PCM in Baghdad so far in addition to Mosul my town and Kirkuk/, they all assured me months ago that a similar PCM with different ID and calibration code can work alright provided I be replacing its EPROM with my original one. They all spoke of a routine measure that had been going there with all PCMs of all automobiles. However, the alleged ''expert'' of Baghdad insisted on both ID and Calibration Code being covered in the new PCM to buy because he was suspecting that the EPROM itself is the problem behind recurrent stalling.
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Tuesday, October 26th, 2021 AT 2:59 PM
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I agree with him. I always replace the E Prom when I replace the ECM.

The information may be corrupted causing it not to work properly.

Roy
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Tuesday, October 26th, 2021 AT 3:06 PM
Tiny
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This is pretty encouraging then! Thank you very much dear savior for your patience and invaluable assistance.
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Tuesday, October 26th, 2021 AT 3:25 PM
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You are welcome.

Always glad to help.

Roy
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Tuesday, October 26th, 2021 AT 3:27 PM
Tiny
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Hi dear Roy ( ASEMASTER6371)
Attached is an image for both PCMs. I returned back home and switched the old PCM with the one bought by my friend (meant for Beretta originally as the quotation said). It did not work at all; the engine was cranking a bit " slow/heavy" and ignition never took place. When I arrived back from Turkey, I tried running the engine (with the same old PCM), it turned alright and kept on working on idling mode for more than 10 minutes without turning off despite the fact that the service light was still on all the time.
I replaced the Eprom of the new Beretta PCM and used that Eprom of the old PCM, nothing changed, the engine never started as if the is no fuel at all. Based on what you kept telling me here, a flashing action has to be done but when I sent this info to the owner of the Beretta PCM (it is Flagship 1 company) they insisted that it needs no flashing since the ID number is the same. In case I head for that guy in Baghdad, does he need the whole car to be there or the individual PCM unit is enough to program/flash the VIN to it?
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Thursday, November 18th, 2021 AT 9:50 AM
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Okay, there is no flashing the OBD1 ECM. They are correct.

As far as the units, the ECM part numbers are right, but calibration codes are not. Use the chip from your old ECM in the replacement and see if it runs.

Roy
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Friday, November 19th, 2021 AT 6:05 AM
Tiny
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I switched the Eprom, took the old PCM's Eprom and inserted it in the new PCM's slot. It did not work. I took the old Eprom, and inserted it back in the slot of the old PCM and guess what? The engine does not start! It used to work alright days ago albeit with the service light glowing all the time, but it still worked alright for more than 10 minutes, it was me who turned the ignition switch off, not that it stalled all by itself like before. I am perplexed.
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Friday, November 19th, 2021 AT 8:49 AM
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Can you give me the numbers off the old EPROM?

Roy
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Friday, November 19th, 2021 AT 9:06 AM

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