Car will not start

Tiny
BROYORK00
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  • 2006 CADILLAC STS
  • 3.6L
  • V6
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 80,000 MILES
We can start the car by jumping the ignition at the starter, it will run we shut it off and it will restart off start button. But after about twenty minutes it will not start unless we get under it and trip the starter.

It acts like it loses power to the memory mode and I do not where to find the source of power for this operation.

Also, the front doors will no open as they are electronic, dumbest idea ever! So I do not know if they are connected through a body module etc.
Friday, November 30th, 2018 AT 10:05 AM

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Tiny
JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Hi and thanks for using 2CarPros.

I am going out on a limb and thinking it has something to do with the power mode module.

Take a look through this gigantic description and checks. Please read my last comment at the bottom of this page.

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POWER MODE
POWER MODE DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION

Power Mode
On vehicles that have several control modules connected by serial data circuits, one module is the power mode master (PMM). On this vehicle the PMM is the instrument panel module (IPM). The IPM will monitor the ignition mode switch only with battery voltage above 7 volts to prevent invalid input readings during low voltages encountered during vehicle cranking. If the ignition mode switch input or the battery voltage input changes, a ratio metric calculation of ignition mode switch input value is performed. The IPM discerns the following states over the ignition mode switch signal circuits:
- Switch inactive
- Switch stuck
- Start button active
- Off/Acc button active
- Ignition mode switch signal circuit short to ground
- Ignition mode switch signal circuit short to B+

To determine the correct power mode the IPM uses:
- The ignition mode switch data received from the ignition mode switch
- The status of the engine run flag (ERF)

The following power modes are transmitted on both low speed and high speed GMLAN serial data circuits:
- Off-Awake
- Accessory
- Run
- Crank

The accessory power mode times out after 20 minutes and the power mode becomes Off-Awake.

The following outputs are controlled by IPM as part of the power moding task:
- Accessory voltage, active in Accessory and Run power modes.
- Run Ignition 3 voltage, active in a remote start request and in Run power mode.
- Run/Crank Ignition 1 voltage, active in a remote start request and in Run and Crank power modes.
- Engine control module (ECM)/transmission control module (TCM) serial data wake-up, active in a remote start request and in all power modes when IPM is awake except Crank.
- High speed GMLAN serial data wake up, active in a remote start request and in all power modes when IPM is awake.

FAIL-SAFE OPERATION
The remote control door lock receiver (RCDLR) is the backup power mode master (BPMM). The both IPM and RCDLR receive signals from the ignition mode switch, representing the mode switch data, through 2 different circuits. The RCDLR can determine and transmit all the system power modes per the lists above. Since the operation of the vehicle systems depends on the power mode, there is a fail-safe plan in place if the power mode message is not received from the IPM or RCDLR. The fail-safe plan covers modules with discrete ignition signal inputs as well as those modules using exclusively serial data control of power mode. The ECM and TCM behave differently.

SERIAL DATA MESSAGES
If no power mode message can be received, the modules remain in the last power mode received and check for the ERF message. If the ERF serial data is true, indicating that the engine is running, the modules fail-safe to Run power mode. In this state the modules and their subsystems can support all operator requirements. If the engine run flag serial data is false, indicating that the engine is not running, the modules fail-safe to Off-Awake power mode and shut down after a while if no other conditions require them to be awake.

DISCRETE POWER MODE SIGNALS
Those modules that have Run/Crank signal inputs also remain in the state dictated by the last valid power mode message from the IPM or the RCDLR. They then check the state of their Run/Crank Ignition 1 voltage input to determine the current valid state. If the discrete ignition input is active, the modules will fail-safe to the Run power mode. If the discrete ignition input is inactive, the modules will fail-safe to Off-Awake power mode and shut down after a while if no other conditions require them to be awake.

ECM AND TCM POWER MODE BACKUP STRATEGY

The ECM and TCM remain in the last known power mode state until it can determine its backup system power mode based on their discrete Accessory voltage and Run/Crank Ignition 1 voltage inputs.

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Now, the accessory power mode times out after twenty minutes and goes into off-awake mode, which seems to be what you are dealing with. This is controlled by the instrument panel module (IPM). If it does not see power, it will not work after twenty minutes and the engine will not start with the switch.

I have attached a schematic that I had to break into three pictures so you could read them. Power to the IPM is provided via two different fuses which are hot at all times. They are in the under hood fuse box. See picture 5. Check those. I have a feeling one is bad.

Ugh, all that to have you check a fuse. LOL Regardless, I hope it helps. Let me know if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe
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Saturday, December 1st, 2018 AT 10:35 PM

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