No longer responds to key fob command to open

Tiny
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June 14, 2022

Joe,

Here is a postscript, since the edit window on the previous post had expired, and I could not simply attach this item.

The latest OBD2 code scan of System reveals codes P1404 and P0442, which does not seem related to a non-start situation.
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Tuesday, June 14th, 2022 AT 2:48 PM
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Hi,

Yes, I agree. I don't see them causing a no-start. By chance, did you try the starting fluid trick to see if it starts? You mentioned not knowing where the throttle body is located.

From the air filter box, follow the air induction tube to the engine. (Large tube). It mounts to the front of the throttle body. Remove it and have someone press the throttle to the floor, spray starting fluid in it (a small amount), release the throttle, and see if it starts.

I attached two pics of the throttle body below. Try this. I read back through the last few posts from you and noted running it low on fuel several times. The pump may be bad, and this will help us determine it.

Let me know.

Joe

See pics below.
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Wednesday, June 15th, 2022 AT 8:41 PM
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June 15, 2022

Joe, I appreciate your staying with me on this mini-ordeal.

Here is the latest--

1. Fuel filter-- I left this alone, for now, lest I force something and compound my problems. The fuel line-to-fuel filter nut still resists and can be loosened by only the right flare nut wrench. I continue periodic applications of Liquid Wrench.

2. Starting fluid test-- Even before receiving your message (thank you!), I had located the air filter and its large hose clamp, which I was able to loosen enough to permit a full jet of starter fluid. As you advised, I should have somebody floor the accelerator pedal during start to open the throttle to the starter fluid. For better understanding, exactly what will a successful start and brief run with starting fluid indicate? The fuel pump remains suspect-- doesn't the starting fluid operation simply bypass the fuel pump? If so, how to test the fuel pump itself?

3. Rather than use a length of wire to show a sparking ignition module-to-ground connection, I bought an inexpensive "spark plug tester'. The tester connects the OEM spark plug wire to a bright incandescent bulb, which then connects to the spark plug The advantage is that any ignition current malfunction will show up immediately as the bulb flashes.

Joe, as I mentioned earlier, I have located the MaxiFuse for the power windows, with its fuse block labeled "30 CB PWR WDO / S/R" That MaxiFuse is green plastic, but with an aluminum cap. Not only does the cap lack two fuse test points, but half of the cap is painted green, with the lower half left silver. The two fuse block insertion holes for this MaxiFuse (as best I could see in the bright sunlight) are small, round and spaced at either end of the fuse flock opening. Since the fuse cap has no test connection points, I plan to remove the fuse tomorrow with a direct tug from a pair of needle-nose pliers, and test continuity. Do you recommend I simply replace this MaxiFuse, as the best test of a solid connection? If I replace this MaxiFuse with a 30A "MaxiFuse" from a local auto supply store (but without the special aluminum cap (half painted green)), will that be appropriate? If I can extract the original fuse, I can send you a photo of the entire fuse.
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Wednesday, June 15th, 2022 AT 11:07 PM
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Joe,

My email indicates you sent a reply, but nothing has appeared here, yet. Friday, I hope to have information on the (1) ignition spark and (2) attempted start with starting fluid (while another person floors the accelerator pedal).
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Thursday, June 16th, 2022 AT 6:25 PM
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Hi,

I don't know if you will get this, but I will ask to see why the information isn't getting to you.

Joe
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Thursday, June 16th, 2022 AT 10:19 PM
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I got that one, Joe.
Please resend your message that I missed.
I am on my way to test the ignition spark and starting fluid and will let you know what happened.

BG

Friday, June 17 @ 12:25pm
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Friday, June 17th, 2022 AT 9:24 AM
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My spark plug tester (described above) flashes, and the engine starts briefly with starting fluid, then stalls.
Tomorrow, I'll try to replace the fuel filter.
Joe, I have not heard from you since June 15.
BG
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Friday, June 17th, 2022 AT 9:41 PM
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Hi,

If it starts with starting fluid, then it is a fuel-related issue. Before replacing parts such as the fuel pump, I recommend testing fuel pressure. That way we know if there is anything. For example, if it's low, then I would think it could be a filter. If there is no pressure, then I suspect the pump.

I'm sorry you are not getting my replies. I hope you get this one. Let me know how you make out with the test. Also, here is a link that explains how to test fuel pressure:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Take care,

Joe
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Saturday, June 18th, 2022 AT 10:02 PM
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Joe,
Saturday, June 18, I found the cause of the problem.

The fuel filter was impossible to remove from ground level clearance but elevating the fuel filter side of the car was also very risky, since the surrounding soft grass was unstable.
As it turns out, a (new) friend showed up with an old posted message from a GM/Buick website describing severe corrosion on the Buick's negative buss, and its symptoms-- exactly my own. Removing all the plastic externals, we were able to see the buss connector and about four wires attached to it by a friction fit, one of them black and thick. The negative buss plate, itself, was not badly corroded, but we cleaned it with solvent and rubbed it with sandpaper until it was bright and shiny. Reinserting the buss plate into its plastic connector, we realized cleaning the female wire receptacles in the buss connector of all corrosion would be impossible, so we cut the thick, black wire to the connector, trimmed insulation from its end, and soldered that conductor to the bare-metal portion protruding from the negative buss plastic connector.
On switching the ignition ON, the power windows operated, and the car was able to start. On switching the ignition to "start", the car immediately started.
Obviously, the black, thick wire was the fuel pump ground wire, and resurfacing the negative buss contact plate and soldering the wire in place completed the power circuit to the fuel pump. We applied dielectric grease to the metal plate, for good measure.
* Did you ever find out why your first message of June 15 never reached me? I got your second message, and requested you re-send the previous/first message, but that did not arrive, either.
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Sunday, June 19th, 2022 AT 11:51 PM
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Hi,

First, I am happy to hear the problem has been resolved. I looked for technical service bulletins that would have been relevant, but nothing was listed. Regardless, it's fixed and that is what is most important.

As far as the posts, I notified the higher-ups and they told me it was a possible glitch in the system and that I should try again. Since I now know it didn't work, I will tell them again what happened.

No matter what, your last post is the most important one. I know it will be helpful to others in the future. I thank you for that.

Take care of yourself, and please feel free to come back anytime in the future. You certainly are always welcome here.

Joe
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Monday, June 20th, 2022 AT 9:20 PM
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Thank you for your help, Joe. You walked me through most of the diagnosis. As you can read above, the process you and I followed was methodical, thorough, logical and cannot be faulted.
Although the friend with the corrosion theory turned out to be correct, it was a lucky find, which represented a minor portion of the possibilities.
In any case, soon I hope to reprogram the key fob. The fob seems functional when I stand next to the car but cannot operate more than a few feet distance.
Again, many thanks.
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Tuesday, June 21st, 2022 AT 3:44 PM
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Hi,

If it is working close to the vehicle, it doesn't sound like it needs to be programmed. I'm embarrassed to ask, but are you sure the battery in it is good? That could cause the distance issue. It's just a thought.

Regardless, you are very welcome, and it was a pleasure working with you. Please feel free to come back anytime in the future.

Take care,

Joe
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Tuesday, June 21st, 2022 AT 8:24 PM
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Joe, I did check the battery, but it would not hurt to check it again. Will let you know.
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Tuesday, June 21st, 2022 AT 11:50 PM
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I know it sounds crazy. My son has a 2018 Challenger. He has already replaced the fob key four times. Ugh! He knows when it's getting bad because it won't unlock unless you are right next to the vehicle. Then he has to hold the fob right below the steering column for it to start. LOL

Let me know.
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Wednesday, June 22nd, 2022 AT 6:12 PM
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RE: Key fob erratic/weak behavior--
Today was productive-- discovered the key fob has much greater range when first used for daily activity. After at least 12 hours "rest", the 3V lithium button battery is noticeably more powerful/greater range.
Tomorrow, I'll purchase a new 3V button cell of the same type, and verify the battery returns all functions to normal.

* Joe, I am preparing the Buick 98 to travel about 300 miles for a family visit. In checking all the major systems, I found the radiator level somewhat low, and the coolant reservoir was completely empty. I refilled the reservoir with 50/50 antifreeze/distilled water (to the "Full Cool") level, and while the engine was cool, I opened the radiator cap, and added about one inch of coolant, filling to within one inch of the filler neck.
While that should take care of a matter of simple neglect in checking the radiator, it does mean the engine may have run hotter than I realized, but without sending a Temperature warning.
With that in mind, I have a Buick engine infamous for its OEM plastic intake plenum, prone to melting from a hot EGR pipe. Aside from my radiator maintenance, is there any reliable way to keep plenum/EGR temperatures as cool as possible? In that regard, I have "solved" a recent Check Engine light problem by carefully tightening the gas cap, and that seems to work, for now.
The oil dipstick shows no water contamination, but is there another check I can make besides a nervous glance at the dipstick? I plan to replace the OEM intake plenum with the Dorman modified plenum and upper gasket replacement (said to eliminate the plenum meltdown problem).

* If you would rather, I create a new ticket for each of my separate Buick 98 concerns, I'll be glad to do that.
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Sunday, June 26th, 2022 AT 8:06 PM
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Hi,

As long as the radiator wasn't too low, I'm sure it's fine. Also, the only way to deal with the intake issue is exactly what you said. Replace it. I use a lot of Dorman's parts and really have no issues. I'm sure it will do what they say.

As far as other things to check, there are a few. In general, make sure the tire pressure is good (approximately 35 PSI), the tires are in good condition, make sure the transmission fluid is full, check the power steering fluid to make sure it is full, and inspect the serpentine belt. If there are excessive cracks, replace it. Make sure to fill the windshield washer fluid and confirm the air filter is good. One other thought, make sure the spare tire is good and fully aired up. LOL And make sure you have the components needed in the event of a flat tire.

When you think about it, 300 miles really isn't that much. You will be fine. However, if for some unexpected reason you have trouble, I'll be here, so let me know what I can do to help.

Take care of yourself and have a safe and enjoyable trip.

Joe
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Monday, June 27th, 2022 AT 7:56 PM
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Joe, I found an apparent cause of the key fob issue. Although the original battery tested 3.X V on VOM, it faded quickly under transmitter load.
My first clue was the original battery had a much better response in the morning, after a night of non-use. The more I used the fob, the more quickly the normal response disappeared.
Today, I replaced the fading original battery with a new battery, and this time, the replacement battery restored operation to normal. The previous time I tried replacement, the new replacement had not improved response.
As an example of how important diagnosis by verified conditions can be, one of the two "new" button 2032 batteries was only 1.5V. And this was on opening a sealed package!
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Wednesday, June 29th, 2022 AT 10:04 PM
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Hi,

I'm glad to hear you got that working properly. I don't know if you have noticed, but it seems the things we are buying anymore and faulty much more than ever before.

Regardless, have a safe trip and be confident. If you run into any issues, I'll be here.

Take care,

Joe
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Wednesday, June 29th, 2022 AT 11:30 PM
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Joe,

What is your preference between non-ethanol and ethanol gas for the Buick 98 Le Sabre 3.8L engine? There is concern that the extra alcohol in ethanol gas simply attracts more moisture, and especially when a car's gas tank is partially empty (1/2 to 3/4 full). Despite the Evaporative Emission Control system, moisture can be pulled from the atmosphere.
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Sunday, July 24th, 2022 AT 6:01 PM
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The less ethanol in it, the better. Especially for older vehicles. Actually, that is what I use in my tractor, mower, and all gas-operated tools I have. It is less likely to damage anything and will last a lot longer.

Take care,

Joe
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Sunday, July 24th, 2022 AT 10:18 PM

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