Ignition trouble

Tiny
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You got her February first.

No telling how long it was down before that.

It is now June fourth.

That is way too long not to be riding in your Jeep!

We need to hear those crimpers doing some clicking!

If you hit an obstacle, You will find me here usually after 1800 hours. EST.

No doubts on this end, we will get her going!

The Medic
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Monday, June 4th, 2018 AT 4:14 PM
Tiny
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Is it possible to install or wire the external resistor backwards? I finished wiring all this and it does a thunk, thunk, then really squeaky turns over with not much conviction then stops, then thunk, thunk, every time I bump the starter. And the solenoid was smoking where the red wire ties on to the "i". When this happened I disconnected the battery and stopped messing with it.
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Tuesday, June 26th, 2018 AT 3:23 AM
Tiny
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And there are a red, black, and green wire from the aftermarket tachometer, red and black having power. Should I tie them in to something?
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Tuesday, June 26th, 2018 AT 3:25 AM
Tiny
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Resistor can go either direction.

Recheck your wiring. Should not smoke!

It ties in between the coil and its power source.

"I" comes off of "I" (embossed on the solenoid) and basically ties onto the positive side of the coil (or a few inches back) on the wire between the positive coil wire and the resistor. In my diagram, it looks like a "Tee"

We will deal with the tachometer after we are running, do you have instructions for it?

Can you send pictures of what you have done so far?

This "thunk" sound is the engine trying to crank/ start? Or is it something else making the noise?

I cropped this from an earlier picture.

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Tuesday, June 26th, 2018 AT 4:27 PM
Tiny
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Yes, the thunk is the motor not turning. I get a few thunks then it will turn maybe half a turn. And when it does turn it makes a high pitch sound it is hard to explain. But it made me instinctively check the oil and also pull the new distributor out and put the old one back in, and it still does the exact same thing. Update, this evening I bought another new solenoid and got home, tried the old one again because the wiring looked right, and it kept throwing sparks while I was turning the screwdriver in the column, so my wife assisted in pinpointing and it was the starter wire. Looks like it was grounding itself on the solenoid mount bolt. Half the wire was hot and some melted. But the way it was sitting looks to have been grounding as described. Is that the only wire to the starter? I replaced it when I got the new starter, but the most frustrating part of all this is that I had a friend here last summer and he was with me when it shut off. I am pretty sure he tried working on it while I was at my regular job, and I have no idea what he may have done. I remember him grabbing a handful of wires and saying "you do not need all this" one night when he was drunk but I thought I had fixed all that. The high pitch noise is new though, it turned over fine (without spark) until I swapped to the new distributor. And honestly I had no idea what I was doing. Figured any information I can remember might help you help me.
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Friday, June 29th, 2018 AT 10:23 PM
Tiny
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I had to edit this a little, my first two pictures did not show up when I submitted, they will probably wind up as the last two, I am sure you will figure it out.

This is how you replace a distributor. I am going to show you the way I do it, then give you a couple of links of someone else explaining and showing. (You might see why I do it in slow motion)

Xdistributor (this word helps me search for this quickly, if I need to copy and paste some or all of this to someone else!)

Using the starter to bump the engine to find the compression stroke works fine with a seasoned auto guy. It is too easy to "overrun" your stroke and not realize it if you are not familiar with the procedure.

Let's do it in slow motion, it is more accurate in my opinion.

Hide your keys, chock your wheels, put the transmission in neutral.

Remove number one spark plug.

Stick it back in and only screw it in barely by two threads. This will allow compression to "hiss" by it (some remove the plug and stick their thumb in the hole - this scares folks!).

Remove spark plug number one.

From the front, a CJ's engine turns clockwise when running, this is how we will turn it "by hand" using a ratchet or wrench on the harmonic balancer bolt (picture number one below).

As you rotate (being this is a four stroke engine, you may have to turn two full revolutions to find the compression stroke) eventually you will hear a "louder" hiss from the loose number one plug. (you may hear faint hisses from the other cylinder leaking past the rings)

Stop!

You are at the beginning of the compression stroke.

Number one piston is still coming up on this stroke, our goal is to get it to the top. This is called "top dead center" or TDC.

Ever so slowly continue to rotate CW, until your timing mark is on "zero". This will be less than a half a turn from where you heard the hiss (white chalk in groove is lined up with "zero"(if more than half a turn, start over!) (See my picture number two)

If you miss the stroke or pass your marks, and then hit your marks (you are most likely on the exhaust stroke (it will not hiss). The other "up stroke", 180 degrees off. Start over, we want TDC!

Back to slow motion, our timing line is on zero, we should be dead on TDC.

Take off your distributor cap, look at the rotor button, is it pointing to where number one spark plug wire is located?

(This really does not matter as long as you put number one spark plug wire at that location and then follow the firing order sequence in a clockwise manner from that point on.)

I like to arrange mine as it is shown in diagrams (textbook)(later on in time, using the diagram would get you right if the wires were all removed).

While at TDC, (not moving the crank at all!) you can remove or pick up the distributor out of the cam gear, rotate the rotor button to the desired position and sit it back down. Remember when it engages the cam gear it will "twist" a little. Allow for the twist!

To go along with this, the oil pump drive is on the flat screwdriver end of the distributor shaft. It is a big slot (look into the distributor hole).

If you move the rotor button. You will also have to use a flat screwdriver to move the oil pump shaft a little so that the end of the distributor will go into that slot. Otherwise the distributor will not sit all of the way down! Sometimes this is tricky, Do not force it! Small "tweaks" will finally let it sit down, remember the "twisting action' as you drop it in might fool you as to which way to face the oil pump slot!

The 258 firing order (plug wires) is 1-5-3-6-2-4.

Below, third picture is textbook distributor set up. (Note the mark, where the rotor button should point when trying to stay "textbook")

After the distributor has been installed or even loosened and moved, you will need to use a timing light and a dwell/tachometer to set you timing perfect, the TDC deal is to get the valve train timed with the distributor, it may get it to run or run enough to time it by ear, it does not do your "final" timing setting.

You will need a timing light and a dwell/tachometer (or similar ones to mine). Many times these are considered "dinosaurs" and can be found real cheap at a pawn shop/flea market/ etc. See last picture.

When you get to this point, I can help you tweak in the distributor and carburetor final adjustments. I have more CJ fix pictures!

Here is a review on finding TDC and installing the distributor.

CLASS 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a2X9mSSlQY

CLASS 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=FHX1yXVyIMg&feature=endscreen

Your turn,

The Medic
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Saturday, June 30th, 2018 AT 3:04 PM

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