Truck starts and idles only

Tiny
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I just replaced my head gasket and timing chain. Truck ran fine until I put it back together. New chain new gears. I aligned marked links to proper punch marks number one cylinder at TDC. Put it back together now it will start only will take no acceleration at all shuts off instantly, idles okay. Little hard to start but not real bad. Now I've pulled the distributor back out with number one cylinder at TDC. I notice my rotor is pointing at about one o'clock instead of directly at number one spark plug wire on the distributor and the oil pump gear spindle is not pointing straight up and down at twelve o'clock like the manual picture shows. But is it possible the truck would even start if the timing is not right on? The truck ran great before the repairs. It has a lot of new parts; MAF, Map sensors, new distributor, new plugs, new fuel injectors, new fuel filter and new fuel hose. What could possibly be causing this problem? Timing my gut says but if timing was off I don't think it would start. I tried putting distributor on various spots but it will not stay running. Thanks in advance for your assistance. JC
Wednesday, February 13th, 2019 AT 1:49 PM

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Tiny
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Hello,

Yes, this does sound like a timing issue. Your vehicle will start with the timing off a tooth or two, but it will idle irradicly, sputter, and have no power at all. The danger is if the timing is off too far, you can do damage to the pistons and valvetrain, i.E. Bend valves and leave "kiss" marks on the tops of pistons. I have included for you in the diagrams below a step by step guide from the vehicle manufacturer on troubleshooting your ignition timing. Please go through it and let us know what you find out.

Hope this helps,
Alex
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Thursday, February 14th, 2019 AT 8:55 PM
Tiny
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Well I seem to have a problem responding. This is the third attempt. The truck is running after pulling the oil pump and spindle held the rotor at 12 o'clock and installed the pump again. Started right up but misfire at lower rpm. Number four cylinder plug is fouling. Don't understand this it's new plugs. What's your opinion? Thanks JC also replaced MAP and MAF sensor. Still has a miss.
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Thursday, February 14th, 2019 AT 9:45 PM
Tiny
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Hello,

You said that number four plug is fouling. How is it fouling? Oil fouling, gas fouling? This will make a big difference as to how to proceed. Get back to me and let me know about plug. I have also included a hard start diagnosis Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) from Nissan. You might want to go through it and see if it helps at all?

Thanks,
Alex,
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Friday, February 15th, 2019 AT 5:04 AM
Tiny
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Okay Alex, thanks for the information. By the way it's a 1997 truck. Anyway, the plug is not soaked in gas but it's the only plug that has lot of black smut. It wipes right off. But the smell of gas is present. I don't mean like a gas leak. But exhaust gas. Thanks JC
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Friday, February 15th, 2019 AT 6:38 AM
Tiny
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Alex, another update. Started right up idles very smooth very little tapping didn't let oil pressure build up. Because I noticed there is too much engine movement. New mounts on engine. But seems to be side to side movement more than should be. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the oil pump and spindle are the problem. Before the rotor was pointing past the number one wire on the cap. Now it seems to be pointing a little before the number one wire. I may be splitting hairs but I think given all the new parts on this engine it's in the timing. I hear no unusual noise from any particular cylinder but the engine should run smoothly and not jump around. What should I do now. I know my marks on the cam gear and crank gear as well as the chain links we're all aligned. I triple checked these. What to do now. I hate to take the timing chain cover back off. It starts so good I don't understand what's going on. Thanks JC

Will the engine run at 180 degrees out?
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Friday, February 15th, 2019 AT 7:18 AM
Tiny
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Hello,

Yes the engine will run 180 degrees out, but it won't run good at all. It could possibly run extremely rough at at idle, and will have no power with multiple misfire will driving. The side to side is going to the misfire in cylinder number four.

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Alex
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Friday, February 15th, 2019 AT 1:27 PM
Tiny
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Alex, part of my problem was the picture showing the position of the rotor is wrong. I pulled the oil pump three times before I figured this out. Regardless of what the picture shows the rotor must point directly to the number one on the cap. Truck runs good has lots of power after 2,500 rpm. But holding the throttle steady on around 2,500 rpm the rpm will drop all the way back to around 1,500. The misfire seems to occur when slowly acceleration or holding steady on the throttle between 1,500 and 2,500. No tapping or ticking is present. Engine sounds good, but after a complete rebuild I should not have this misfire. I'm stumped and ideas or suggestions please feel free. Thank you, JC
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Friday, February 15th, 2019 AT 3:12 PM
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Hello,

Is the plug oil fouled? If not you should insure it is correct heat range and is free from porceline cracks, and is in good working order. Next double check your spark plug wire. Look inside the boot for carbon tracks. It will look like a little white line. Get back with what you find out and I will have a couple of specific tests for you then.

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Alex
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Friday, February 15th, 2019 AT 4:22 PM
Tiny
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No oil on plug it seem to be dry just has a black smut deposit on it. The other three do not have this problem. I bought the plugs in January 2019. Maybe I need hotter plug and some new wires. The distributor and rotor are new. The whole distributor is new actually. What range plug do you recommend? I'm running NGK plugs. Thanks JC
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Friday, February 15th, 2019 AT 6:38 PM
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Hello again,

Here is a link for you to check out. Its a guide for spark plug testing. Go through it and let me know what you find out.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-an-ignition-system

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Alex
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Saturday, February 16th, 2019 AT 12:24 AM
Tiny
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Thanks for the guide, but I'm afraid it's a little more serious than just a plug. Yesterday I worked on timing. I'm not sure what it is but but I've got the timing advanced as far as it will go and it runs pretty good, but I know this is not normal. My crank pulley marks line up on mark when the number one is at TDC. Have you ever encountered a situation like this before? Thanks, JC
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Saturday, February 16th, 2019 AT 2:28 AM
Tiny
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Hello again,

The reason for your engine to moving to side is #4 cylinder is not firing. We need to figure out why this is. Please doublecheck plug and plug wire. You can verify plug is firing correctly by removing it from your vehicle. Run a wire from the metal part of spark plug directly to battery negative terminal. Secure it to the spark plug with a hose clamp and make sure the connection is good and tight. Have a helper start the vehicle. The spark plug should give a nice blue spark. Let me know what you find out please.

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Alex
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Saturday, February 16th, 2019 AT 4:40 PM
Tiny
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Wow, now that's a new one on me. But very creative that will be fun seeing the out come. Alex, I got a question but first I want to say I'm thinking this misfire issue is vacuum related. I've switched vacuum hoses around and made no difference. But while doing this I hit a wire harness plugin I'm not sure what it does but it effects the way the engine runs it's one wire coming out of the bottom of the intake below the throttle body. And it comes up and plugs into a grey male plug? I've got to work on getting you some photos tomorrow. Anyway here's my question:
I'm not a great mechanic by no means I'm almost 70 years. Old and still climbing under vehicles and doing repairs. Done this all my life because I couldn't afford to pay a mechanic. But back to matter at hand I pulled my oil pan today after a month of driving since the rebuild and while checking my rod caps torque specs I noticed something disturbing. There is a minute bit of sideways movement in the the rods and cap on each cylinder. I say sideways I mean lying on my back looking up at the engine movement is front to rear. Is this normal? Thanks JC
also Alex, here is the numbers on the plugs they sold me for a 2.4L Nissan engine: ZFR5E. NGK
11. R. JAPAN
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Saturday, February 16th, 2019 AT 5:11 PM
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Hello again,

I think it's great that you are still wrenching at 70! There should be no play in the rod bearings. In fact, when rebuilding an engine, the #1 thing you need to do is make sure your connecting rod bolts are excellent quality, make sure you properly lube them, and make sure they are torqued to specs, and in incremental stages. The plugs you have purchased are fine. We need to track down why #4 cylinder is not firing. Please check #4 spark plug for me. Remember we want a nice blue sparl. Get back to me with what you find out, please.

Thanks,
Alex
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Monday, February 18th, 2019 AT 3:22 AM
Tiny
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I will let you know. I'm going to remove the head again and timing chain cover as well just so I know for sure the chain and mating marks all aligned properly. It's a lot of work I know but then there will be no doubts. I'm going to inspect the number 4 cylinder very well is there anything particular I should look for? Could I see if anything was bent? I will let you know what I find. Thanks. JC
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Monday, February 18th, 2019 AT 4:32 AM
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Can you please shoot a quick video with your phone so we can see? That would be great. You can upload it here with your response.
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Wednesday, February 20th, 2019 AT 10:45 AM

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