As the engine warms up the transmission does not shift into drive or reverse?

Tiny
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Upon cold start, the car goes into drive and reverse. At some point, as it warms up, the vehicle stops going into drive or reverse. I obtained this car from someone who told me it had a broken transmission. It was never diagnosed by a mechanic, which was just this individual’s assessment. Once I looked into it, by hooking up a battery, starting it, etc. I discovered what I’ve told you. I’ve never taken it on the road. The forward and reverse that I do get upon cold start has just been in my driveway. I’ve been trying to get it to generate an error code, but to no avail. It had one when I jump started it to see if it ran, before I purchased a new battery, but after switching to the new battery, the computer reset, and I can’t find a code. Any idea where I should start?
Friday, September 15th, 2023 AT 5:42 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

Is the transmission fluid clean and full? I ask because I've seen where the transmission filter is plugged by dirt in the pan. With the engine off, the dirt drops back into the pan and fluid can pass through the filter and it will work. As the dirt begins to collect again, it plugs the filter, and pressure is lost. As a result, there is no gear engagement.

Also, you may want to consider scanning the can-bus. CAN stands for controller area network. Basically, all of the modules are tied together via a few wires. This type of scan will retrieve codes regardless of the module storing them.

Here is a link showing how it's done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/can-scan-controller-area-network-easy

Let me know.

Take care,

Joe
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Friday, September 15th, 2023 AT 10:54 PM
Tiny
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I have a basic OBD 2 scan tool. How is the scan tool in the link provided different? Also, will that scan tool you recommend be able to do all the things I need to diagnose? Lastly, I read a link describing how to fill the transmission fluid, but what is a good way to check the condition of the fluid? If there is dirt in the bottom of the pan that is being picked up into the filter, how am I to ascertain it’s there? I guess I can tell if the fluid looks burnt, is that enough?
Sorry for all the questions, thanks!
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Saturday, September 16th, 2023 AT 4:17 AM
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Hi,

Could you let me know if this is 4WD or not and if it has the 3.6L or the 4.6L engine? I need to know to determine the transmission that is used.

As far as the fluid, you can't see inside the transmission, so it is really based on how bad the fluid looks. If it is very dirty, then it would be worthwhile checking.

As far as the scan tools are concerned, they're designed to communicate with the different modules. A traditional one only can receive information from the PCM.

Let me know.

Joe
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Saturday, September 16th, 2023 AT 9:38 PM
Tiny
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It’s a 3.6L, 4WD.
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Monday, September 18th, 2023 AT 9:30 AM
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Hi,

Okay, I attached the directions below for checking fluid level and condition. Take a look through the directions and let me know what you find.

Take care,

Joe

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Monday, September 18th, 2023 AT 8:24 PM
Tiny
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Could you recommend a CAN scanner, or at least what features, that at minimum it would need to scan for transmission issues? The article you provided only says that you can get them for as little as $35 on Amazon but then suggests I should look at what features it offers before choosing which to buy. Seeing as I look at this purchase as a potential one off, I don’t want to spend a fortune on a professional grade reader, when an inexpensive one would suffice.
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Tuesday, September 19th, 2023 AT 5:33 AM
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Hi,

I attached one below that covers nearly everything. It is a bit more money, but it is something you can use for newer vehicles as you get them,

Let me know.

Joe

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Tuesday, September 19th, 2023 AT 8:23 PM
Tiny
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I finally received the scanner you recommended. After updating the OS on it, I found no transmission codes and only one engine code, P1012, high fuel pressure. I’m going to assess the transmission fluid tomorrow. I had to get a T45 socket, mine came up missing. Will update you tomorrow.
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Tuesday, September 26th, 2023 AT 2:16 PM
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Hi,

The code you have is related to a camshaft position sensor. See pic below. Where did you find the high fuel pressure definition? I'm curious because my manual has been wrong in the past.

As far as the transmission is concerned, let me know what you find when you get a good look at the fluid condition and condition.

Take care and thanks for the update.

Joe
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Tuesday, September 26th, 2023 AT 7:56 PM
Tiny
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I just goggled the code, p1012, all the results came back as high fuel pressure. I didn’t search it vehicle specific.
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Wednesday, September 27th, 2023 AT 3:52 AM
Tiny
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Here’s a sample.
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Wednesday, September 27th, 2023 AT 3:53 AM
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I checked the fluid this AM. I didn’t do it precisely as the instructions said to, that was my error. Instead of getting the vehicle up to operating temperature before opening the drain plug, I opened it before I started the engine. I’d say about a pint or two of fluid promptly drained out. At any rate, I followed the rest of the directions perfectly. Vehicle to operating temperature, moved gear shifter through the range of selections, pausing on each one for a bit. I checked the level with a screwdriver. Fluid was just below the drain hole. No more fluid leaked out after initial opening, even after turning off the motor and during cool down. Transmission fluid looked normal. Red, slightly brownish, didn’t smell burnt and wasn’t foamy. My only questions are what’s next and is it normal to have that much fluid come pouring out, even when the engine was cold?
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Wednesday, September 27th, 2023 AT 7:34 AM
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Hi,

The reasoning behind having the fluid at operating temperature is that it expands when it gets hot. Now, if you shut the engine with the plug removed, the fluid should have come out. If none did, it's low. You should actually have a trickle coming out while the engine is running, and the system is warmed up.

Let me know if no fluid came out when the engine was off. Also, was the vehicle on a level surface?

Joe
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Wednesday, September 27th, 2023 AT 7:05 PM
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Like I said previously, nothing came out while running. Nothing came out after I turned it off for at least 15-20 minutes. I checked fluid level with a screwdriver both while running and 20 min after shutdown. The level didn’t appear to change. Both times it appeared to be full and level with the drain plug hole. The only time I lost fluid was when I first opened the drain plug, engine and transmission cold, I lost at least a pint maybe two. Vehicle was level the entire time.
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Thursday, September 28th, 2023 AT 3:59 AM
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Hi,

Okay, if that is the case, you need to add fluid to it until it begins to trickle out. As before, this needs to be done with the engine running and both at operating temperature.

Let me know.

Joe
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Thursday, September 28th, 2023 AT 8:04 PM
Tiny
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Okay, what is the procedure for filling the transmission? Is there a spot to add transmission fluid or do you add at the same hole as you drain from?
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Friday, September 29th, 2023 AT 4:02 AM
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Hi,

There is a fill tube at the top of the transmission, or you can fill it through the check plug.

I attached the directions below. The last pics are the directions for checking the fluid level. Let me know if this helps.

Take care,

Joe

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Friday, September 29th, 2023 AT 9:56 PM
Tiny
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Okay, I attempted to fill at the drain hole. I could not find a fill hole on my transmission. I warmed the vehicle to operating temperature. Opened the drain hole after going through the gear shift, stopping at each gear for at least three seconds. When I opened the drain, I got a steady drip of transmission fluid. Using a hand pump, I attempted to add more, but as much as I added, it just came right back out.
To recap, I have no codes after multiple cycles. Transmission is full of fluid up to the drain hole. Fluid is red to reddish brown and is not burnt smelling. I am no closer to diagnosis.
Do you have any other options?
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Sunday, October 1st, 2023 AT 5:05 PM
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Hi,

Did you ever remove the pan to inspect the filter for dirt or obstruction? If you have and it was okay, then we need to check the line pressure to see if it is within the manufacturer's specifications.

I attached the procedure below. Let me know if it is something you are comfortable performing.

If we find this is low, it may be the pressure control solenoid valve sticking or damaged.

Let me know.

Joe

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Sunday, October 1st, 2023 AT 8:12 PM
Tiny
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It’s not that I’m not comfortable doing this, I don’t have the tools required. The scanner you advised I buy doesn’t have the capability to perform that test. The other tools I need cost a lot of money even if I go the cheapest route. They are also not available to rent at any parts store in town. I even tried to consult a bunch of mobile mechanics who could come out to perform that test and none of them could or will.
It would be cheaper to just replace the solenoid myself and see if that fixes the problem. At this point, it’s either that or just tow it to a transmission shop, which I’m trying to avoid.
Also, I never pulled the pan to check the filter. I assumed since the fluid didn’t look particularly dirty or smell burnt, it was unnecessary. What’s your opinion/advice?
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Monday, October 9th, 2023 AT 12:19 PM

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