Engine misfires?

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STEVENKEEHNER
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My car just started miss firing lately. It only does it in drive, not in park. It also does it around 1000-2000 rpms. Instead of a smooth acceleration it goes " vrooom put put put put vrooom. If I hold the brake and accelearate it hesitates around 1500 rpms, just put put put is all I get, but it gets over it at a higher rpm and runs smooth then.. I changed my spark plugs their wires and seals around valve gaskets. Is there a way I can fix this?
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RASMATAZ
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You might as well give it a major tune-up and see what happens-if not come on back and we''l get into the fuel and ignition system.
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BMRFIXIT
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What I would do is complete the tune up as change the wires cap rotor and check the coil
which design u have for the coil is it in the cap or out
look for an oil leak in the distributor and the cap

distributor may be at fault too check it out
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FRANK1235
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The car starts up just fine. After running for a short period of time it starts to misfire and sometimes stalls out. After waiting about 5 min. It will resart and run just fine with no misfire. After the initial start it runs pretty much great the rest of the day, even after turning off the engine and resarting?
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:16 PM (Merged)
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KHLOW2008
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Hi frank1235,

Thank you for the donation.

The symptoms are consistent with an intermittently failing PGM-FI main relay. I would suggest removing it and resoldering the circuit board, this is a known issue.


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/192750_PGMFIRelay90Accord_9.jpg

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JEFFHOBBS33
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Would it be obvious if the engine has a dead cylinder?Also, wouldn't there be a noticable temble in the engine if the motor mounts are broken?
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:17 PM (Merged)
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MHPAUTOS
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Hi there,

When you say a dead cylinder, yes. It would make a huge impact on a 4 Cly engine, a faulty engine mount will normally show up during engine accelerations the torque of the engine will cause it to move on the fault mount, if the engine is running poorly (due to a faulty Cly) it will tend to shake a bit more, but this will depend on how bad the mount is.

Mark (mhpautos)
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MASTERTECHTIM
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I would think so. You will see the engine jumping up and down when accelerating if engine mounts are worn out.
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LISAS3104
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I have a 1990 Honda Accord 5 speed manual transmission. The problem started with the motor occasionally surging when in neutral. By surging, I mean it would rev up and down when in the neutral position.
A week or so later, it has started jumping or skipping really bad when going uphill like it is trying to cut off but never does. Almost like you need to change gears. Maybe skipping but doesn't seem like its a skip though.
I have been driving it here and there but it is my daughter's car and I am afraid for her to go very far in it. I want my car back so somebody please tell me what to do. A couple of mechanics have looked at it but have frowned at the thought of working on it.
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:17 PM (Merged)
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KIN CHAN
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This problem sounds interesting especially a few mechanics came up with nothing. Can you. Give me some more information?
Mileage?
Engine size?
How many miles since last tune up?
Were there any mechanical work perform soon before this symptom occur?
Did the check engine light came on when symptom occur?
Were there any codes being extract from the ECM?
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BRUCE HUNT
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Have one of those exact autos. Had that same problem.

Replaced the IAC valve with no success.
Checked for low level on coolant.
Bled the coolant system of air.
Fiddled with vacuum lines.
The problem was resolved with a new intake manifold gasket.

Now your problem might be stemming from a different cause but I would wager than a look into those areas might fix the problem.

The manifold can be checked with a smoke bomb as they use in furnaces. Find the escaping smoke and you found the leak.
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After they changed the timing belt (they put on a Dayco 92544 timing belt on), they said it was mis-firing. Then they ran the diagnostics to find that cylinder #1 was not firing. They replaced the spark plugs, changed the cables and distributor cap, checked the fuel injectors, removed and replaced the timing belt again. Now my car shakes when it is stopped or if you are moving slowly, once you get moving it runs just fine though. Any suggestions?
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:18 PM (Merged)
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BRUCE HUNT
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In order to do the work that they had to do, it was necessary to disconnect the motor mount. Did they get it hooked back up properly or was it bad? Another question along those lines is the motor mount bad on any other part of the car? Check the mounts out. I assume that they got the misfire fixed?
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:18 PM (Merged)
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14TULIPS
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The engine mounts are fairly new, so they didn't need replacing. I just replaced them about 2 years ago.
That's the problem. The misfiring has not been fixed, because they are not sure why it is not firing. They offered the suggestion to have the head sent to a machine shop because they think the valve for cylinder 1 has burned. Not sure how this would have happened though. My car was working fine when I took it in (8am) but during the time that it took to replace a timing belt, somehow a valve was burned? What other reasons would there be for why a cylinder is not firing?
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BRUCE HUNT
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Two that come to mind are so simple that they should be very obvious. If fact, they are so obvious that you probably won't try them, but here goes. It is easy to put in new plugs but it is also easy to crack a plug. It will fire but not all the time. Another is a bad wire. They can look great, but manhandling wires can cause them to fail and they can fail such that it idles terrible but seems to run fine at high speed. It could be a valve but I would doublt that.
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Well, it seems that the new spark plugs work just fine. They removed the plugs to test them on the engine, and they all fired everytime, it was just once it was installed that it wouldn't fire.

They also replaced both the distributor cap and the cables, so I am fairly sure those are not the problem either.
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BRUCE HUNT
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Once the belt was installed that is failed to fire? As I said no one believes the two areas. You would be surprised how often this happens. It has to be simple. The wrong person pulling on a plug wire and that wire will fire but not right. Installing and cracking a plug is easy, a lot easier that burning a valve. Did they get everything reconnected properly again after the install? The answer will be yes but to the next person that looks they will spot something that was not reconnected.
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When it is warm, it misfires and hesitates at low speeds, such as pulling away from a stop. It improves when speed increases. I replaced the cap & rotor, plugs, wires, pcv and air filter hoping to solve the problem, and because it was needed. The electrode of the old plugs was an ashen-white color. What am I missing?
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Monday, January 11th, 2021 AT 6:18 PM (Merged)
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BACKYARDMECHANIC
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A misfire can be caused by a ignition or fuel problem. You haven't said the check engine light is on so I will assume it is not a engine management issue. Since you have change the most commom causes here are some things to look into. The coil, faultly ignition module. On the fuel side check for Dirty injectors, low fuel pressure, faulty injectors, and clogged fuel filter. Also check for a vacuum leak and a faultly ERG valve can cause misfires. If all of the above checks out then this leaves a compression problem due to burnt or bent valves or leaking head gasket. FYI a spark plug that has heavy ash deposits may indicate a coolant leak from the head gasket or a cracked head. A misfire can also be caused by weak valve springs or worn cam lobes, This can be detected through the use of a vacuum gauge.
Good luck Backyardmechanic?
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