1991 Saturn SL2 Engine will not start

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So the two pcm's your saying you just didn't change your confusing me now. So the one in there now has been in there for a year now?If that is the case then I would say it's the right one. What pulse's the injector's is the pcm it pulse's the ground to the injector. It shpuld pulse more then once. If you prime the car with carb spray will it run for a few second's?
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Thursday, September 30th, 2010 AT 12:47 PM
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The original PCM went bad a few years ago and from I can tell it was the original. I replaced it with PCM #2 in April of 2009 and I bought it from a salvage yard it was supposed to be from the same year and DOHC 1.9 auto.
PCM #2 I plugged it in and the car fired up and ran fine for a year. April 2010 the car just quit running while driving down the road. It quit a few different times of the course of a few weeks. I would let it sit for a day of so and then it would sometimes start. The last time it quit it has never started again.

I purchased PCM #3 from a salvage yard as well and hoped that it would just plug in and fire up like last time. The car has not ran since PCM #2 quit.
I still have all three PCM's and have tried all three but the car will not run.

I will have Dan prime the car to see if it will indeed run.

Larry
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Thursday, September 30th, 2010 AT 4:51 PM
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Let me know if it start's then we will know if it's lack of fuel. Also find out what your fuel pressure is and check for spark.
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Thursday, September 30th, 2010 AT 5:05 PM
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Hello,

Well Dan somehow rigged up an external fuel supply to and the car ran. While it was running he checked most of the vitals and everything checked out as if it would while running. If he took the fuel away and tried to let it fuel itself, if would not run. The fuel pressure was around 40 psi. There is an issue with the injectors and Dan wanted me to email you to see if you had any suggestions. He was maybe going to take a look at the injectors to see what was going on there.

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Sunday, October 17th, 2010 AT 3:02 PM
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So did he run a pressure canister with gasoline instead of using the fuel pump?If so and it ran good then you have a problem with your fuel pump supply and not your injector's.
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Monday, October 18th, 2010 AT 12:37 PM
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Dan had gas in plastic bottle and the gas was sucked through PCV hose. The injectors were not spraying any fuel and we have 40 psi fuel pressure at the rail. The car will run great if given fuel but when you remove the secondary fuel supply and try to run on its own, it will not start.
We did not have pressurized fuel, we let it draw in though the PCV hose instead of through the fuel rail.

Dan seems to think that for some reason the injectors are not pulsing so what do you think the problem is?

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Friday, October 29th, 2010 AT 12:03 PM
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I wouldn't add fuel thru the pcv hose if you have 40 psi at the rail I would check check and see if with the key in the run position engine off if you have power to all the pink and black wire's to the injector's. Then with the car cranking if you have a flashing ground to the dark blue wire's to the injector's. Use a bulb test light to check this like I told you.
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Friday, October 29th, 2010 AT 12:25 PM
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I have power at the pink and black wires at the injectors, power on both sides of the connectors (to the injectors). I do not have flash at the dark blue wires while its cranking.

When you unplug the connectors at the injectors the pink/black have power and the blue wire has power. While cranking the dark blue wires are constant power and not pulsing. Should that wires be pulsing a ground signal to control the injector?

The computer or whatever is not working is not controlling the ground side of the injector.

What are the odds that I would have three faulty PCM's currently. Could it be possible and how can I test to see if that is the case? Should I consider buying another PCM to see if it would start?

We plugged a scan tool in and I think the only code that came up was 44 or 45 lean fuel mixture code.

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Monday, November 1st, 2010 AT 12:23 PM
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There's your problem the dark blue wire's shouldn't have power it should be the ground control from the pcm. Here's what I would do unplug all the pcm connector's and see if you still have power to the dark blue wire's to the injector's. If you lose the power then plug the connector's back into the pcm and see if the power come's back. Let me know what you find.
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Tuesday, November 2nd, 2010 AT 1:29 PM
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I was talking to a Saturn salvage yard and asked about my problem and they mentioned that it could be a fuse issue. I am in the process of checking all of the fuses in the entire car and also disconnecting the aftermarket car stereo. They said that sometimes aftermarket audio is to much for Saturn's causing circuit overload. Does that make sense to you?
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Thursday, January 6th, 2011 AT 6:56 PM
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That doesn't make sense because it would blow the fuse from what I have seen if the radio over loaded something. Also the radio is hooked into the body harness and the injector's are part of the engine harness. The radio goes thru the inside fuse box and the injector's goes thru the under hood fuse box. Try this check the dark blue wire's and make sure they still have power with the key on. Then unplug the injector fuse and see if the power goes away to the dark blue wire's.
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Thursday, January 6th, 2011 AT 8:16 PM
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I am going to work on it tomorrow and will test the blue wire for power with and without the fuse. If I still have power in the dark blue wire, what is my problem? Bad PCM? If the power goes away what would be my next move?

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Friday, January 7th, 2011 AT 1:20 PM
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If you still have power with the fuse out I would unplug the computer and see if the power goes away. If the power goes away without the fuse I would see where the power wire to the injector is shorting into the ground wire from the computer.
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Friday, January 7th, 2011 AT 6:51 PM

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