Overheating only while idling

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Hi,

Yep, it needs done again. Listen, when you question if the cooling system is still pressurized, try to squeeze the upper radiator hose. If there is no pressure, it will be easy to do and soft. If there is still pressure in the system, it will be solid from the pressure.

Please be careful. Let me know what you find.

Joe
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Friday, June 26th, 2020 AT 8:46 PM
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I was able to check it again after the radiator was cooled down. It went down again, but was at least at a visible level this time. I didn't get a chance to top it off and run it again. From looking at my manual, it says the car takes 7.4 quarts of 50/50 mixture coolant/water, with.69 quarts of that in the reserve tank. So about 6.7 quarts for the radiator and rest of cooling system. That is 1.675 gallons of coolant. I'm guessing most of that lives outside of the radiator. Anyway, it would seem the radiator was extremely low on coolant. We will see how long it holds the coolant once I top it off one last time tomorrow.

What did you make of the white smoke? I didn't see any coming out of the exhaust from what I could tell. I also didn't think that the oil on the dipstick looked "milky". So I really don't know what's going on here. I read maybe a leak in the heater core? My analysis would be that the coolant is being burned somehow, as I'm not seeing anything leaking on the ground, and there was the appearance of the white smoke. Also it does not appear the coolant is getting into the oil in large quantities.
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Friday, June 26th, 2020 AT 9:27 PM
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Hi,

White smoke is produced when engine coolant is burned along with the fuel in the engine's combustion chambers. Can you video what you are seeing? Here is a link that explains what/why white smoke is created. In the beginning, it explains normal steam, but later in the link, it discusses what I mentioned.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/white-smoke-or-steam-coming-from-the-exhaust-pipe

Let me know if I can help.

Joe

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Friday, June 26th, 2020 AT 9:46 PM
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The white smoke is coming from the back of the radiator. I do not have steam or white smoke coming out of the tailpipe, at least not in large quantities. I attached 2 videos of the white smoke in the last 3 comments of page 1 of this thread.
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Friday, June 26th, 2020 AT 9:54 PM
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Hi,

Okay, I watched them. Is that steam? Does it have any specific smell to it? Coolant will usually have a sweet smell. Oil can smoke like that as well.
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Friday, June 26th, 2020 AT 9:58 PM
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I'm pretty sure it was a sweet smell. It was coming from the back of the radiator, behind the fan.
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Friday, June 26th, 2020 AT 10:00 PM
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And yeah it is probably steam rather than smoke. Seemed lighter and wispier than smoke.
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Friday, June 26th, 2020 AT 10:04 PM
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Then there is a leak in the radiator or one of the radiator hoses. You will need to pressurize the system to check it when the engine is cold. Here is a link that explains how that is done. You will need the right tool, but most parts stores will lend that to you. It appears this is where the coolant is going.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/radiator-pressure-test

Let me know.
Joe
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Friday, June 26th, 2020 AT 10:05 PM
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Yeah that makes sense. Although a leak in my 10 month old cooling system is a bit dumbfounding. Since I've been replacing the radiator about every 3 years lately, the head gasket seemed to possibly explain why I've been chewing through them so fast. But there's no coolant in the oil, no bubbles in the coolant, and no white steam coming out of the exhaust. So if the head gasket is leaking, it is only slightly, and not the main issue here. I just really don't get all my radiator problems. I suppose if I maintained the proper fluid level, then maybe they'd survive longer.
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Friday, June 26th, 2020 AT 10:14 PM
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Alright it seems to be mostly retaining its coolant. I checked it again today and it was closer to the top of the radiator. Filled it maybe 2 to 4 ounces, ran it for 30 minutes with the heat on full blast, and let it cool off for an hour and a half. The level was pretty much still at the top, it was only down by maybe half an ounce or an ounce. It appears it's splashing up into the rim of the filler neck for the radiator, and that may explain why the level was slightly down. Is it possible coolant collecting here then evaporating could explain some coolant loss? I did not see the white smoke around the radiator this time each time I checked. So I'm not sure exactly what is going on. Not seeing any coolant leaking underneath either.
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Saturday, June 27th, 2020 AT 4:32 PM
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Try driving it for a few days and then check the coolant level. Hopefully it won't go down. Also, now that the radiator is full, does it overheat at idle?

Joe
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Saturday, June 27th, 2020 AT 9:24 PM
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Hi Joe,

There are no overheating at idle issues anymore. The temperature gauge stays a lot lower now and doesn't go above halfway. So it was definitely the low coolant, just a matter of whether it leaks/burns out or stays put I will be checking it regularly over the next week and report back what happens.

Adam
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Saturday, June 27th, 2020 AT 9:28 PM
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Sounds like a plan, Adam. Let me know. Also, if you find there is loss of coolant, we will have to do a chemical test on the coolant to see if there are any combustion gasses in the coolant.

I just hope it never goes low again.

Take care and keep in touch.

Joe
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Saturday, June 27th, 2020 AT 9:37 PM
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There does not seem to be an alarming amount of coolant loss going on. I will keep checking it. In total I added less than 1/2 gallon of 50/50 coolant/water mixture a couple weeks ago, and the level hasn't dropped much. I heard that running the heater can evaporate coolant, is that true? What about A/C or anything else?
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Saturday, July 11th, 2020 AT 4:50 PM
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The cooling system is sealed, so evaporation really shouldn't happen, regardless of what is being used. However, it isn't odd for some to evaporate over time. If you used a 1/2 gallon in a couple weeks, to me that is more than I would like to see. However, has it possibly slowed down? Are there any different symptoms?

Joe
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Saturday, July 11th, 2020 AT 7:36 PM
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What I meant by the 1/2 gallon was, that's how much I had to fill it up 2 weeks ago (which hadn't been filled since August 2019 when the radiator was replaced). And the level has not dropped nearly that badly, maybe half an inch from the the filler neck on the radiator. So this seems like an issue to just keep an eye on and top up as needed. My new issue is that the A/C stopped working today, which is in another thread, and obviously not related to this issue.
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Saturday, July 11th, 2020 AT 7:42 PM
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Okay, that sounds normal. I was worried at first. As far as the A/C issue, I hope someone is helping you. I have answered several already tonight. The heat has been difficult to deal with this year.

Take care,
Joe
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Saturday, July 11th, 2020 AT 7:53 PM
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Yes, and the oil from my oil change showed no signs of coolant. So it seems the engine cooling system is fine with no head gasket issues.

Roy is helping on the other issue, although feel free to take a stab at it as well.
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Saturday, July 11th, 2020 AT 8:00 PM
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Glad to hear the engine is okay. I'll look for the A/C question, but once they are answered, I may or may not be able to find it.

Take care of yourself. Let me know if I can help in the future.

Joe
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Saturday, July 11th, 2020 AT 8:27 PM
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Take care of yourself as well Joe. Thanks for all your help. The name of the thread is A/C stopped blowing cold, not sure compressor is running at all.
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Saturday, July 11th, 2020 AT 9:02 PM

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