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Tiny
RAY ANDERSON
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  • 1994 MITSUBISHI MIRAGE
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When I push my foot down on the gas pedal is bogged. Then it became hard to start. This is after I had told the head and put two new valves in it started right up and I drove it about five miles then. When I got to my destination turned it off started up again, but then it bogged out then would not start. Put more gas in it it was starting to bog out. Okay, so I got a new fuel pump pull the tank down it install it, but I could not hear the fuel pump start. I did not listen to it before I put the fuel pump on that is the reason I put a new one on. I could not hear it running before, but now I cannot hear it running the fuel pump. No start.
Wednesday, December 13th, 2017 AT 10:05 AM

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Tiny
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I was able to figure out you are expecting to hear the fuel pump running, but you did not say under what conditions. The pump should run for one second when you turn on the ignition switch, then resume running during engine rotation, (cranking or running).

If the fuel pump runs for that first one second, but it does not continue running during cranking, it is almost a certainty you do not have spark either. Both systems turn on when the engine computer sees signal pulses from the crankshaft position sensor and camshaft position sensor. Those are common causes of crank/no start conditions. Check for spark, then we will know which circuit to look at further.
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2017 AT 4:51 PM
Tiny
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Okay, no spark.
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2017 AT 4:55 PM
Tiny
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First check for diagnostic fault codes, but be aware codes for the cam and crank sensors often do not set just from cranking the engine. They may only set while a stalled engine is coasting to a stop. In that case, you need a scanner to view live data. Specifically, those two sensors should be listed with a "no" or "present", or some similar indication to show whether their signals are showing up at the engine computer during cranking. The camshaft position sensor is inside the distributor. I do not know the failure history of either of these.

If only one signal is missing, that sensor is the best suspect, but also check the wiring and connector terminals for it. If both signals are missing, the better suspects are the feed and ground wires for them. On most engines they share common ground and feed wires.
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2017 AT 5:10 PM
Tiny
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There are no codes man because I reset the computer touching the terminals together on the battery thinking that might help solve it. Okay after I put the head on and then take it all put the distributor on, I was wondering if I had to distributor off 180 degrees. But the car started so I figured I was okay. Is it possible that I still could have had a hundred eighty degrees and it compensated itself and that still may be my problem? Do I need to go back and turn it hundred eighty degrees and put it back on?
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2017 AT 5:18 PM
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I do not think you can mess up the distributor, even if you tried to. The drive has ears on it that will only go one way.
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2017 AT 6:03 PM
Tiny
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Ok replacing the distributor got it started it's running okay I've also replaced the fuel pump but I have no power hardly I mean it won't even get out of its own way it's pretty consistent the way it's running but it's like it has no power hardly at all and I went back and I checked the timing belt and it's at the two points it's at the right place I'm pretty sure I got compression I replace two valves in it pretty sure I got good compression but it's just like I have no power push the pedal all the way down it doesn't pop it's just real slow and hesitant what do you think
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Monday, December 18th, 2017 AT 10:39 AM
Tiny
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Now you're in an area that is not one of my specialties. My diagnostics are limited to reading the diagnostic fault codes and interpreting sensor data on a scanner. Engine Performance specialists have numerous other things they look at. I would have looked at the timing belt, as you did already, as the best suspect, and ignition timing when it is adjustable. Dead charging systems can also cause engine performance problems.

If you're stuck at this point, consider posting a new question so the other experts will see it and have a chance to reply. I'm going to send a message to two of our other experts who should be able to help.
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Monday, December 18th, 2017 AT 6:24 PM
Tiny
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Okay thank you I did however take the whole timing assembly back off again and the tensioner then I repositioned it and I said it to teeth forward because I thought that I might be too retarded cuz I kept having to move the timing all the way forward okay put it back together seems to have a hell of a lot more power just not as much as it did before the timing belt broke but I haven't gotten out and driven it much it just may need to be driven a little bit and I may have to clean the throttle body but I tell you what it tore ass after I move it ahead to teeth
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Monday, December 18th, 2017 AT 8:42 PM
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The only thing I can add is when setting the timing marks, spring-loaded tensioners are always on the back side where the slack develops. Never rotate the crankshaft sprocket backward to line up the timing marks. If you bounce past top dead center, always rotate it forward two revolutions and try again. If you put the slack on the front where the belt is pulling on the camshaft sprocket, the cam sprocket will rotate backward, meaning retarded, when the tensioner is released to take up the slack. That was not always intuitively-obvious when I watched my students struggle with belt timing. It is also possible for the tensioner to be not strong enough to move the cam sprocket. That can leave too much slack, and if the belt runs the water pump, it can lead to a slipping pump pulley and overheating.

Happy to hear you made great progress.
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 2:45 PM
Tiny
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But I still do not have the power I hsd before the valves bent. And im also noticing that the throttle body is sounding throatier. Im wondering, my buddy put the new fuel pump on before I hsd a chance to watch him and he has really no experience. Had the tank back up and everything before I even got out just still doesn't have the power it had befor
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 3:03 PM
Tiny
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Before I had the chance to see if he had installed it correctly is there a chance that he could possibly compromise the Integrity when he put it in and it's just getting poor fuel pressure?
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 3:05 PM
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You can measure the fuel pressure, but the noise you described at the throttle body still suggests the cam timing is retarded.
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Tuesday, December 19th, 2017 AT 3:36 PM

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