Misfire no power?

Tiny
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Went to pass someone, stepped on the gas and it cut out. Weeks later it just started cutting out during regular driving and had no power, skipping. Had it towed to Kia, and they didn't have a clue. I had o2 sensor codes, so I replaced two of them and those codes went away. Changed all six plugs and one ignition coil that wasn't working right. Idles well, but misfires when stepping on gas and it will not go over 2,000 RPMs. Thinking fuel filter pump/assembly next, but expensive and complicated. I wish I could narrow it down and know exactly what it is.
Tuesday, December 12th, 2023 AT 7:01 PM

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Tiny
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Hello, and thanks for your question!

If you had O2 sensor codes, there is a possibility there was a problem with the exhaust system and not the sensors themselves. Sure, the new sensors will function better brand new, but it most cases it only buys time. Do you by chance have the codes that were present, or can you do a scan of the vehicle now?

Please check out this link on how to perform a CAN scan:
https://www.2carpros.com/articles/can-scan-controller-area-network-easy

Being a 2021 model, I would not be so concerned about clogged fuel lines or fuel pump assembly. Actually, the fact that it will not go above 2,000 rpm is the computer putting a limit on the system. Despite doing all of those things that you did; the computer still detects a problem somewhere.

Please let me know what you find,
William
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Tuesday, December 12th, 2023 AT 7:09 PM
Tiny
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Got a P0340 code after changing back sparkplugs. Driving 3 hours round trip to a dealer to get a camshaft position sensor, got it back to install and discovered I didn't plug the sensor back in. Embarrassing! Here are the codes I wrote down. I will go out today and get which are pending, permanent etc.
P0088
P0306
P0305
P0300
P0304
hopefully this will give a pattern
again, starts and idles. Start driving and it misfires, can't get it above 2,000 RPMs. Goes in reverse well. :-)
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2023 AT 6:13 AM
Tiny
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I can't tell you how much I appreciate you communicating with me. If you are in the East TN area let me know. I own a pub/restaurant on the Appalachian trail and have airbnb's.
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2023 AT 6:14 AM
Tiny
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I sprayed starter fluid around to check for vacuum leaks, none.
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2023 AT 6:24 AM
Tiny
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Okay, one current code today. Check engine light came back on. P0088
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2023 AT 6:45 AM
Tiny
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Hello,

P0088 = Fuel Rail / System Pressure Too High

This of course can throw off fuel trim / air ratio and ruin O2 sensors, as well as cause misfires and result in the computer limiting the engine performance. I will attach the chart below on the plausible causes for this. Does your scan tool see live data? I would like to know the actual fuel rail pressure as reported by the sensor, as well as the ECT (Engine Coolant Temperature) sensor, and the exact RPM the engine is running at idle. We can try to pinpoint the issue to see if it is a sensor issue or a regulatory issue, and worst-case scenario being an ECM issue.

Hope this helps and let me know what you find.
William
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2023 AT 7:08 AM
Tiny
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Screen shots live. Idles well.
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2023 AT 8:44 AM
Tiny
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Have a video of it running idle and pressing gas but too big to load and send.
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2023 AT 8:48 AM
Tiny
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Not good if you are stumped.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 8:29 AM
Tiny
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Did lose you William? More than happy to compensate you to finish this thread.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 4:14 PM
Tiny
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Hello,

Sorry for the delay. Using that scan tool, can you see the live fuel pressure reading? And when the engine is at operating temp, what does the ECT read? Please refer to the chart above, and make sure the conditions are met. We need to get past this before we dive into electrical diagnostics or replacing parts.

Thanks,
William
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 6:41 PM
Tiny
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Bummer, I thought I screen shot it all. I will do it fitting tomorrow.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 7:11 PM
Tiny
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Real quick what is ECT?
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 7:12 PM
Tiny
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Electronically Controlled Transmission?
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 7:13 PM
Tiny
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ECT reads 30 degrees C. Do I need to let the car warm up more?
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 7:22 PM
Tiny
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Fuel level input 48.2%.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 7:23 PM
Tiny
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The rest I will check tomorrow.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 7:23 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

I would like to know what the ECT reads during normal vehicle operation, when the temperature gauge settles in the middle. It should not be more than 60 C. Fuel level input is only a display of how much fuel is in the tank. We need to see the fuel pressure in PSI. If we cannot see this then we will need to take a fuel pressure reading with a gauge at the fuel rail.

Let me know,
William
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Friday, December 15th, 2023 AT 4:46 AM
Tiny
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Okay, new data, new codes. Outside temp 37 degrees. Warmed van up so the temperature gauge was 1/2 way. Idle was great. Press gas no hesitation or skip. Backed up smooth, put in gear and pressed gas no power. After trying to drive the traction control light came on the dash, pressed button and it wouldn't go off.
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Friday, December 15th, 2023 AT 8:30 AM
Tiny
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60 degrees Celsius is only 140 degree Fahrenheit btw. So, the ECT (engine coolant temperature sensor) could be off, but I see from the scanner it is at 94% which is good. I have seen a broken primary catalytic converter cause strange issues like this. Can you hear any kind of rattle in the exhaust when the engine is idling/revving? You might want to take a rubber mallet and tap the exhaust to see if you can hear any loose material inside. Here is how to remove the cats for a physical inspection. Check out the images (below). Please upload pictures or videos of the problem so we can see what's going on.
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Monday, December 18th, 2023 AT 10:19 AM

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