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The one on Amazon has smaller size female pins. Injector size. So, the car is still acting up on every drive? Are the fuel trims still hitting -20% and is it setting any codes at all?
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Friday, May 27th, 2022 AT 1:01 PM
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Hi Al, let me explain what it's doing now and the work I have progress over the last couple of months. I apologize I wasn't able to get back to you sooner.
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Tuesday, August 23rd, 2022 AT 2:16 PM
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I have been busy, and I have been driving this car like this all summer. A week ago, or two I was able to replace the intake manifold and fuel injectors. I got a great deal for the entire intake assembly that came with fuel injectors, map sensor, purge solenoid canister, new vacuum hose and gaskets. So, I figured for that price I might as well do the entire assembly to have any future problems down the road since it's my daily driver. It was a summer deal the parts website was having. I replaced the entire kit for a price of $287. Cheaper than what four new injectors would cost for each. It also came with a new fuel rail and pressure regulator. I replaced the air filter, cleaned the throttle body and cleaned the MAF sensor again as well.

Now, after the intake was replaced, it still surge at idle, it's been happening so far in the 80s or 90 degrees outside. It has been very hot this summer. Since the intake and injectors were replaced, I don't notice the engine surging rough anymore and it's not constant at decel anymore like it was before.

Only sometimes, not all the time, but when real hot out, it feels hard to step on the gas pedal and when you begin to accelerate, *turns green at a stop light* that is when it's hard to accelerate, give it gas for example, at acceleration, not sitting, driving.

I wasn't noticing much surging when you begin to decel. Fuel pressure is good because I can hear the pump.

One of my friends who fixes cars as well, says when an engine surge it's hard to determine what it can be. Even if it does it at the slightest moment. He suggested I replace the brake booster check valve. I don't know where it's at on this car. I thought it was just a hose that connects to the intake into the booster. Any thoughts? Everything is almost new on this car now. If not the booster check valve, maybe there's just a carbon deposit on the valves?
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Tuesday, August 23rd, 2022 AT 2:24 PM
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It's okay, it has been quite a while, your car had the purge valve on backwards if I remember correctly. So, is it physically difficult to push down the accelerator pedal? This doesn't have a cable or anything to the throttle body, it's a drive by wire system. You have an APP sensor on the gas pedal and the ECM controls the throttle plate opening electronically, So if its physically difficult to push the pedal down, then there is something going on at the pedal itself.
As for the engine surge you are experiencing, your friend is correct, they can be very difficult to pinpoint when it's slight and not happening all the time, it could definitely be heat related. Thats the type of issue that would need to be caught on an Oscilloscope possibly hooked up to cam and crank sensors to watch for any slight drop or glitch in sensors signal. Over the past year I've seen sensor glitches and strange signals that I would never have guessed could happen, but with technological advances, anything is possible now.

I do see a Recall on the Ignition coil boots, they are having a problem where there is an extra spring being added in as well as new spark plug part number and spark plug gap spec. I'll leave that below, This is the letter to owners, for this recall.
I don't suppose you are getting any codes at all.
There is a TSB on valves sticking due to fuel quality and misfiring cylinders, and your car has been through a lot. The valve issue can cause rough idle, extended cranking times, or more misfires and can set misfire codes.
When you replaced the Intake manifold, that would have been the time to inspect the top of the valves for carbon build up.
There is a Bulletin on that as well. They included some pictures too ill post. Just things to look for, I'm not sure if you still have the old Intake, but take look for excessive carbon build up inside, if it's there, then it can be on the valves as well.
They have some pretty high-tech valve cleaning systems out now that you could have done at a dealership if you were concerned about it.
On a side note, I'm note sure if you have On Star in your vehicle, but they are doing over the air ECM updates now. If you don't have On Star then don't worry about it.
But I would check out this Ignition Coil issue and Spark plugs. That will cause misfires.

Unfortunately, it will be difficult to say exactly what is happening with the surge in hot weather, it could be the fuel in your area, it could be a sensor glitching like I mentioned,
You can try replacing the Brake Booster check valve, I don't think it will do much, but they are cheap, so it's worth a try. I've had a brake booster that only leaked on the inside at the brake pedal when the pedal was pressed down. But it was on an older vehicle.

On something like that, it might be drive it until a code sets or something very noticeable happens. There are a couple of other ECM updates, the last 3 pages below, the 2nd one has to do with a condition that shows up above 100f degrees outside temperature, I know this is a lot of information, there has just been a lot of technical Bulletins since our last contact, I don't remember if you had a scan tool that can show live data, but if you do, keep an eye on live data PIDs such as Long Term and Short Term Fuel Trims, especially when you feel a hesitation or surge. But I think it would be something more along the lines of a sensor having a heat related issue. So, the updates might help with that.
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Tuesday, August 23rd, 2022 AT 3:49 PM
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Hi AL, what a crazy month September has been I was not able to drive this car AGAIN, so it sat the entire month. I have been waiting on more parts and could not drive it all last month. Let me tell you what it's doing NOW. I might think it's a sensor causing rough idle rpm surging and rough acceleration, but it's been a slow process figuring it out with this rpm surge mystery because it doesn't do it all the time. Thank you for trying to figure it out with me because it has been very frustrating not being able to drive my car.

Shortly after replacing the intake manifold, everything was ok until about a week after I commented to you here. I would say the beginning of September, the day before Labor Day the ECM sets out another code P0013. It must have been a slow process before the ECM decided to set the code because during the time, I comment to you about not being able to accelerate the gas pedal while driving shortly after replacing the intake manifold and having the rpm jump slightly at idle still, maybe this sensor is all related, I hope.

I like to keep a record of what happens on my vehicles, so I know when the problem begins to exist. I replaced the entire intake manifold with new gaskets nd brand new fuel injectors with new rail sometime in August before it was inspected because it needs to get inspected that month. So again, to repeat myself, I checked spark plugs and coil packs and cleaned the MAF sensor and throttle body while replacing the intake. None of that really improved acceleration.

To answer your question about intake manifold carbon build-up, no I did not notice any major carbon build-up on the old manifold. I had to remove the valve cover to replace the intake and I didn’t notice a lot of carbon buildup on the valves. It was just dry oil residue on the cams. That being said, I think this car must have been a short-trip-driven car because it had low mileage when I purchased it in 2015. It was a clean car, but it had its problems. I don’t change my oil every 3,000 miles, only once a year. The older lady I bought it from used conventional because I can tell it wasn’t good quality oil. I have been using high-mileage synthetic motor oil for over 75,000 now and I have been using synthetic since I owned the car.

Now to explain what it’s doing now. At the beginning of September, the day before Labor Day, I was out running errands and the check engine light came on. I tried to clear the code P0013, but it would just come back right on. The code is set for the variable valve timing solenoid. I replaced the sensor but as soon as I replaced the sensor the wiring for that sensor broke off. It took a month to find a new connector for this sensor. I was able to install the new connector today. But the check engine light didn’t go out like I thought it would due to the break in the wiring.

Here’s what happened today: I replaced that connector, cleared the code P0013, and as soon as I step on the gas at idle to rev to above 2000 RPMs the check engine light comes back on. Check codes again, P0013 comes back and now I see P0010. They are for both the VVT solenoid causing it to stay open. I check resistance in the sensor itself and it’s not giving me the range I should have. I contact the dealer to see if they can send me a replacement.

I did install the sensor correctly this time, thankfully, and the new connector is installed right because I got a wiring diagram to check where the color wires need to go back in the connector. I am hoping it’s just a bad sensor out of the box. I really don’t want to go down this same road again like with the purge solenoid when the code wouldn’t reset, and I thought it was intermittently but in wrong. After all this time and here we go again, another mystery code that will not reset.
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 12:13 PM
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So, did you have the p0013 appear first and then how long did it take for the p0011 to show up? These are both circuit faults again. And do you keep up with the oil changes?
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 3:15 PM
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Yes, I had the P0013 show first in the beginning of September. Today P0010 set after I replaced the connector. How it set was, I cleared the codes. Then I was checking my battery and testing my alternator by putting a load on it. When I rev the gas to 2,000 RPMs the code set again. Honest to God man, I thought the connector would have reset the code P0013 because the wire was so brittle from all that heat it was broken off the connector after I replaced the sensor initially and the code didn’t reset. So, I thought this would fix it no matter what. I guess I will see what happens when I replace the sensor again. I have the dealer sending another soon. Will keep you posted, and we can talk soon.

Also, yes, in the post I said I change oil once a year. I don’t even reach over 10,000 a year and it’s my daily. But the car has 78,000 on it now. I just use the high mileage synthetic.
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 3:17 PM
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I also changed the oil in April, probably about around 77,000. So, it doesn’t have even 1,000 miles on the oil change yet.
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 3:25 PM
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Well, it's odd that you're getting both codes at the same time, because one is for the exhaust cam shaft actuator and the other is for the Intake cam shaft actuator.
The code setting criteria is the ECM driver commanded state not equaling the actual state of the actuator for more than 5 seconds. So, for both cams setting the same code is strange. You don't have much mileage, well you didn't when we started our journey here, 76,000 is not much. Which connector did you change? Was it the exhaust one that was brittle and failing apart? Does the harness run near the exhaust manifold on this vehicle?
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 3:26 PM
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It’s near the intake manifold the sensor. Right near the valve cover. So, I had to remove the valve cover to remove the sensor.
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 3:29 PM
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Here is where it’s at. It’s on the end of the valve cover as you see in the photo.
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 3:35 PM
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Okay, here are the resistance specs for testing the actuators. But you don't get any codes back until you rev it over 2,000? That's about the RPMs that the ECM would actuate the cams, it's not something that would happen at a lower or idle rpm. I'm also posting the circuit test you can do to see if this is a harness problem, it sounds like it is. If you've got wiring that's falling apart like that. When you change the connectors, are you using crimp connectors that are heat shrink connectors? To keep any moisture out. I'm surprised at the amount of issues you're having with this car.

How difficult is it to get that top timing cover off I see there in the diagram?

There is actually a TSB for this issue. The last 3 diagrams below.
Why they would put a plastic sleeve on a camshaft is beyond me.
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 3:36 PM
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It wasn't the timing cover; it was the valve cover I removed. And come to think of it, I think there are two camshaft actuators on this car, are there not? I think I might have replaced the one on top near the intake. I am looking at the engine digraph and I see another one on the front right above the left-hand side of the exhaust manifold. I replaced the one near the intake manifold. Do you think maybe that's what I did wrong? Replaced the one near the intake instead of the exhaust?
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 3:53 PM
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I replaced the one on top.
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 4:06 PM
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Yes, I know you removed the valve cover; I was just wondering how difficult it would be to remove that upper timing cover just to check the belt tension. The p0013 is the exhaust cam actuator. So, in your picture the exhaust actuator would be the lower one. Do you know if the intake and exhaust actuators were different part numbers? It's not giving me part numbers here on all data, but I can look a different place to check.

Is the exhaust actuators harness plug just as bad as the other was?
The wiring for both is the same exact coloring and I don't see a different part number for the intake or exhaust so far.
But they don't seem to share a ground wire or anything like that. The pink wire is the ground going into the ECM and the brown wire is a pulse width modulated power feed.
The coding of these is strange, the p0010 is the intake actuator, but they have two different codes for it as well.
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 4:17 PM
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I didn’t remove the timing chain cover to check belt tension. I think it’s a pain to remove because you need to remove accessories to get to it. The owner manual says you don’t need to replace it until 100,000.

As for solenoids, they might be the same part number for the actuators. I will check tomorrow to see the exhaust actuator part number and match with the intake actuator part number. According to gm there’s only one actuator for this car and it doesn’t state if it’s intake or exhaust. Just says this and it’s what I replaced the intake side with.
https://www.eastcoastgm.com/oem-parts/gm-variable-valve-timing-vvt-solenoid-55567050?c=Zz1lbmdpbmUmcz1lbmdpbmUmbD0xJm49U2VhcmNoIFJlc3VsdHMmYT1jaGV2cm9sZXQmbz1hdmVvJnk9MjAxMCZ0PWx0JmU9MS02bC1sNC1nYXM%3D
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 7:31 PM
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As for the connectors they might be the same connector for the intake and exhaust actuators. The exhaust is fine, the intake connector is what was broken. All I had to do was cut the brittle wiring and crimp new terminals onto the ends.
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 7:32 PM
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The wiring diagrams show 2 cam actuators, one intake and one exhaust. So do the multiple codes for those circuits. That diagram on the link showed the cam actuator on the rear of the engine. This one shows the 2 up near the timing cover. 22 is the exhaust and 21 is the intake. But if the wiring was brittle I would check the pin fitment of the connector, just to make sure it's making good connection. And I'm not sure but some ECMs will disable certain systems if there is a code for one of the components in that system. You're getting codes for both intake and exhaust at this point, so you might want to do the circuit checks and check the resistance of the actuators.
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Monday, October 10th, 2022 AT 11:14 PM
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Here’s what I will do: I replaced the wrong actuator near the intake. It was supposed to be location to the exhaust because that’s what set the code for. So, I need to buy another actuator for the exhaust side. The part numbers are both the same for both actuators.

But both connectors for the two actuators had very brittle wiring. They are both the same connectors, which is great. I replaced one connector, but I am going to have to replace the other connector next because it fell off. Waiting on the connector and the other actuator to come. When it does, I will let you know what it does, if the light goes out or not. I check the wiring fully and it doesn’t look like there are any breaks in it when you inspect inside the harness. It was just at the connector where it was brittle and falling apart, probably heat damage it. So, crimping a new connector on it and replacing the exhaust side should fix the issue.

I also want to know what can I do to improve engine performance? Remember when I said stepping on the accelerator felt like the car would barely drive down the road smoothly? Here’s the link to the products I would like to use. Let me know which one is suitable for my issue. Maybe there is carbon in the combustion chamber that will not burn off completely. It was a short trip driven once and it’s been sitting a lot.

https://www.bgprod.com/catalog/gasoline-fuel-system/
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Wednesday, October 12th, 2022 AT 11:55 AM
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Oh okay, so it was another bad connector. How long has it been since you fueled up? Just wondering how long that gas has been in the tank. BG is a good fuel system cleaner, just read if it needs to be a full tank to add it. I know we've been at this car for quite a while, what do the fuel trims look like, I think I remember at one point you had mentioned really high positive fuel trim numbers. Is that still happening? The fuel trim numbers are something I use a lot when diagnosing lack of power issues, that and graphing the oxygen sensors. If I'm on a test drive and I do a wide-open throttle test, the graphed oxygen sensors should go rich. If I see an oxygen sensor lean out during a test like that while driving, Then I know it's a lack of fueling issue, for whatever reason. But identifying what the root cause is to begin with is my starting point. I'm not sure what the temperature where you live is right now, but there will be a switch over to winter fuel blend soon. But going for a test ride and recording the live data under certain conditions and going back over the data is usually where I'll spot something. But get the wiring all fixed up first so you have proper camshaft advance. Especially with such a small engine.
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Wednesday, October 12th, 2022 AT 1:53 PM

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