Timing belt replacement

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((Crankshaft sprocket timing belt alignment mark))


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((Camshaft sprocket positioning for timing belt installation))


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How to change the timing belt on a 2001 kia rio
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Removal

Disconnect negative battery cable.

Loosen power steering lock bolts and nuts accordingly and remove tension from power steering (P/S) and/or air conditioning (A/C) compressor drive belt.
Remove P/S and/or A/C drive belt.
Loosen generator mounting bolts and adjusting bolt.
Remove generator bolts.
Remove water pump pulley.
Remove crankshaft pulley and timing belt guide plate.
Remove upper and lower timing belt covers.
Turn crankshaft so that timing mark on timing belt pulley is aligned with timing mark on engine.

Check that "l" mark on intake camshaft pulley is aligned with mark on cylinder head cover and "E" mark on exhaust camshaft pulley is aligned with mark on cylinder head cover.
Notice : Do not move camshaft or crankshaft once timing marks have been correctly positioned.

Loosen tensioner pulley lock bolt.
Protect timing belt with a rag.
Remove tensioner pulley.
Remove timing belt.
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I am having a difficult time finding the timing marks for this vehicle. Please help.

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Anne
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I was told that the timing belt should be changed at 75,000 miles. In addition I was told that the water pump andtensiner should also be changed. What is the average cost of repair for the timing belt? And should these other additions be performed or are there more?
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Monday, October 29th, 2018 AT 6:57 PM (Merged)
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Yes that is a good idea during timing belt replacement..


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Car broke down while driving. My mechanic checked it and said it was the timing belt, and said since it was not cut off there is a 50-50% chance from experience. There was no interference with the valves in the engine.

Just to double check I called the dealership and where I got the car from and they said there was a 90% chance the engine is affected, though I only called to ask how much to fix I for got t tell them it was not cut off. What do you think?
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If the belt didn't break then it's probably ok and just needs the timing belt or timing belt kit which includes waterpump sometimes and all pulleys and tensioner. If it's single overhead cam it' is not interference engine if it is dual cam then it is an interference engine. But if it didn't jump time nor belt broke it is ok to replace belt. Even if it jumped time it may be ok which a compression check will tell when new belt is installed
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How long does it take a normal shop to replace
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Depends on the model, year, engine size, and accessories that are in the way. Most shops go by a "flat rate" guide that spells out every part of a procedure for a given model, then adds or subtracts small amounts for things that add difficulty or when two things can be combined into one procedure. That way all shops quote the same times and the only variables are their hourly shop labor rate, and whether they're including extra things to insure the reliability of the repair, (which means they have your best interest at heart), or if they're cutting corners in an attempt to save you money or so they can provide a lower estimate to get the job.

You listed the wrong engine size so I can't look up the parts. If the water pump on your engine is driven by the timing belt, it is foolish to not replace it too since its failure can lead to failure of the new timing belt. If you have an "interference" engine, a broken timing belt results in bent valves and that turns into a real expensive repair. All conscientious mechanics will insist on replacing the water pump at the same time the belt is replaced. There may also be a hydraulically-controlled tensioning device for the belt and that should be replaced to insure the quality of the repair.

If you don't trust the estimate you were given, get a second opinion from a different shop, but then be sure you're being quoted for the same parts and procedures. You didn't say why the belt is being replaced, and you didn't provide any other details, so my only recommendation, if it applies, is for that second opinion, don't ask for the cost to do a repair that was recommended by the first shop. Let the second mechanic perform his own tests and diagnosis, then see what he comes up with. If you just ask for an estimate to replace the belt, they may not bother to inspect the other parts like the water pump or tensioning pulleys, then they'll have to surprise you later with those extra things they didn't know about.

Some insecure mechanics who don't have confidence in their skills may purposely berate the first estimate in a misguided attempt to make them self look better by cutting their competitor down when they know about that first estimate. Other mechanics, if they're friends with the people at the first shop, may purposely give you a much higher second estimate to make their buddies look good. Experienced mechanics will never take on a job based solely on someone elses word or based on the request of an uninformed or uneducated customer. By "uneducated", I mean a typical person who isn't expected to know all the things that can go wrong by cutting corners, all the legal ramifications of working on a car, and all the extra things we do to look out for your best interest in the long run. Most of us try to save you money, but not when it means the repair will last half as long or the procedure is not a good value.
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Monday, October 29th, 2018 AT 6:57 PM (Merged)
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I forgot to add that for my '88 Grand Caravan, the timing belt takes about four hours to replace, and another half hour for the water pump. An experienced mechanic will get it done in a lot less time but you would still be charged 4 1/2 hours. An inexperienced mechanic who doesn't know exactly which tools to grab, which bolts have to come out, etc, will take longer than 4 1/2 hours, but that's still what you would be charged. That's what is meant by flat rate. You get charged for the amount of time specified regardless of how long the job actually takes.

My van is pretty easy to work on and take apart. There are a few engines that are so complicated that removing the engine is necessary to replace the timing belt. Fortunately there aren't many cars like that. Most engines newer than mine are packed in so tightly that a lot of extra stuff has to be removed, and that takes time that is already factored in to the flat rate times. As a general guess, I'd suggest yours may take six hours, but that's a major generalization. If you were quoted twice that much time, don't run and complain that I said it should be less. If you were quoted less time, that doesn't mean they're doing shoddy work. I'm only suggesting that there's very few engines where the timing belt can replaced in only two or three hours. There are some engines that use up to four camshafts instead of one, and they require very uncommon specialty tools to do the job, and those could take perhaps eight to ten hours or more. I suspect yours will fall somewhere in the middle of that range.
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