Is this normal for a crankshaft on a 1MZ-FE engine?

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No, it wasn't the number 2 idler pulley' it's the one of two bolts that connect the timing belt tensioner. The bolt is on the inward left side of the tensioner. The tensioner came out, but I can't put a new one in until I get that remaining bolt out. I probably would have to rethread it, if the thread is damaged trying to remove it. A right angle might have enough space, it's but in a couple videos it looks like the bolt loosens to the right not left, in my case I was loosening it to left, So now I've confirmed that at least one of the bolts is left a left handed thread in the video it looks look they are both left handed. I just wish I had known or realized they were left-handed threads. How was I able to remove one but the other one broke?
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Friday, April 7th, 2023 AT 8:53 PM
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Are you referring to the 2 bolts that go in from the bottom of tensioner itself? Not either of the round pulleys? It looks like the pulley for the tensioner takes a 10mm Hex wrench. But there is nothing that says anything is opposite thread.
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Saturday, April 8th, 2023 AT 10:51 AM
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Yes, that's the one, I confirmed Its reverse thread at least on the right hole I tried to put the good bolt in the empty hole, and it will only go in counterclockwise, I think it's possible the engine mount or is that on the oil pump? Was changed and that's why it's reverse thread?
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Saturday, April 8th, 2023 AT 2:59 PM
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The bolt holes look to be part of the oil pump assembly, but there isn't any place that states one bolt would be reverse thread, I supposed it could be an aftermarket oil pump, but that still doesn't make much sense of a design. But since those bolts are straight up and down, drilling one out should be easier. But there isn't any close up pictures of the tensioner bolts.
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Saturday, April 8th, 2023 AT 5:14 PM
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As for being reverse thread, every video I've watched the ratchet moves to the right to loosen and in one video to tighten it moved to the left for both bolts, and thread on the bolt looks to be left, a very important detail Toyota left out, so I guess it's the original oil pump and it's just that the threads are reversed, yes drilling out with an extension should be easy hammering a center punch may be a problem, at the moment I think I only have left handed bits, how would that work to drill? I don't think it would drill a hole forward and can't go in reverse, risk of tightening it even more. I'm attaching photos.
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Sunday, April 9th, 2023 AT 12:09 PM
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Just going over your pictures here close up, so is it the bolt hole closest to the engine block that broke? Comparing the 2 bolts it's hard to tell what thread they are with so much missing off of that one. So, from the bottom up, you're saying the front bolt hole doesn't tighten turning it to the right? I've been going through service info and have not seen anything like that. Considering what it holds, you would think that would be something specifically noted in there. It still looks like a tough one to drill out, but if you can get a smaller bit started first so you have a pilot hole to keep the next bit straight is what I would try. By the time you get the center of that drilled out, there won't be much of the bolt left. I can see how small it is compared to the other bolts in the block. Looks like maybe a 10mm. But as for the thread direction right now, I would just try to get started with a small bit and take it from there, You don't want to damage anything, Such a bad design. I would expect more from Toyota, but anyway. Zoomed in the bolts look like the end thread is correct being tightened to the right, even the full one on the left, I have the picture straight up and down, if I were to twist either of those, I'd need to go right to thread it in. If you have a nut that will fit on there, that would give you a clear answer, The way those threads are at an angle down on the left side, now I'm looking for a bolt here. On normal right-hand tightening, the threads will be angled down on the left side. I'm trying to post a picture for you here. I'm not sure if it's the picture or not, but the broken bolt looks a little different, that might just the picture though.
Granted this is just a screw but it's the correct thread, just a bit easier to see, but how the threads are angled down on the left side, that's what I see, at least that's what I think I see on the unbroken bolt.
You won't tighten that bolt anymore, the broken section must be rusted in there, drilling out the center will reveal some of that. Then just increase bit size until you can get an easy out in there, or it starts to move. Spray something for the rust while doing it, some penetrating oil, which will help to save the bit too, but drill slow, if you go too fast with drilling out metal bolts, you'll just burn the bits up quick.
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Sunday, April 9th, 2023 AT 1:27 PM
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Yes, it's closest to the block and 10mm. I appreciate your help and due diligence, after seeing the videos and only being able to put the bolt back in reverse, I have to treat it as reverse thread, that's why I'm going to try what this fellow did when he ran into a reverse thread bolt he broke off on a miter saw https://youtu.be/ytEOAqXZamk used a hex socket and it came out smooth as butter, yesterday I sprayed PB Blaster and will let it sit until tomorrow. I will center punch it so I can get a good pilot hole and then drill it slowly I will try to ratchet it out to the right, if it doesn't budge than its to the left bit in would expect it to loosen to the right, as you said I can't tighten it anymore so not much risk. I'm confident it should work.
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Sunday, April 9th, 2023 AT 2:37 PM
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Well, it looks like it would just spin out the top, isn't there a hole at the top of those threaded areas? But I think you have a good plan. If you keep spraying each day until you get to drilling it that will help a lot, letting it soak overnight each time. Hope it goes well, if it happens to be reverse thread, let me know, I'll send a message to All Data, maybe they will correct the service info.
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Sunday, April 9th, 2023 AT 2:43 PM
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Yes, I think there is a hole at the top so either direction it's going to come out I'll know soon enough. Will let you know.
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Sunday, April 9th, 2023 AT 8:05 PM
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Hi, I don't know if you are still following this post, but try as I may, I couldn't extract the bolt, I did however drill a hole through next to it, had to fil. It with steel. Stik, I'm leaving it to one bolt and hoping for the best, water pump and timing belt are installed, turned crank 4 times marks lining up, all that's left. To. Do is put parts back, torque, add coolant and hope for the best, one thing though when being towed to home base the tow strap towing me from the front got caught under the passenger tire and suddenly coolant spilled out. Any idea what that could have been? It was suggested a hose but I can't see any separation or tears. Also, what's the best way to go about testing for a leak? Can I just add water or concentrated coolant so I don't lose a whole bottle of coolant? Thanks
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Wednesday, April 26th, 2023 AT 4:49 PM
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Well, with the towing strap, the only way to know is to do a pressure test, you might find that it hit the radiator fins and cracked something in that area, they are pretty fragile. But you can rent a coolant system pressure kit from AutoZone, or other places might rent tools as well. The kit comes with different fittings for radiators and a pump with a gauge on it. So, you just fill up the system, pump it up to about 15psi, I believe the max you want to go on a cooling system is 18psi, but 15 is usually enough to find a leak. That is about where the system will be when it's up to operating temperature. Thats unfortunate about the tensioner bolt. I don't think that will hold for very long, the pressure on the tensioner is pretty high, but I think changing the oil pump out is the only way to remedy that situation now. I can't think of any other way to secure that other side. I hope for the best though. For the pressure test you can use water, you'll just need to drain it out later and add 50/50.
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Wednesday, April 26th, 2023 AT 6:06 PM
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So, if it hit a fin or cracked something I will have to replace the radiator now, I just had it replaced last year brand new, I hope it's a hose clamp lose or something simple like that, I'll have to see about doing a pressure test. As for the bolt I don't know if I mentioned this, but a fellow Sienna owner has been driving his with one bolt 5 years now since a mechanic broke the bolt when installing a new tensioner so you never know, I'm thinking since I drilled a whole thought the mount to see if I can put a thinner bolt through with a nut
for added measure, but I don't drive daily and I'm not planning on keeping the van for another year. I don't think I will replace the oil pump unless it's leaking or bad, I just put some Permatex 90-minute gasket maker on it since the old gasket was deteriorated. Anyhow I should have it all back together by Monday I hope and then I'll have to deal with the radiator leak, for what it's worth at least the water pump. Won't leak anymore.
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Thursday, April 27th, 2023 AT 8:14 AM
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Well, I just checked the radiator again and it doesn't look like there is anything exposed to damage, no fins anywhere to be seen. I did notice a hose not fully in place so I'm going to correct that and see what happens.
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Thursday, April 27th, 2023 AT 10:41 AM
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The tow strap might have just hit a coolant hose, it's difficult to tell until it's under some pressure. The Permatex was a good idea, that stuff can handle quite a bit. I was also thinking about the hole you drilled in the side. Since that hole is not part of the actual engine block, and only the oil pump, (meaning it can be replaced in the future) you could try a self-tapping screw and see if it will help put some support on that underside where the broken bolt should be. If you can find that right size self-tapping screw. I know it's kind of a hack, but at this point if you're not planning on keeping the van that much longer. Just trying to think of anything you can do besides replace the oil pump. I know you just want to get this thing done. And btw on the tool rental at AutoZone, its actually free, you just have to give them the money in case you don't return the tool. Once you return it, they give you all your money back. As long as it's not damaged obviously. But I forgot to tell you that part.
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Thursday, April 27th, 2023 AT 2:43 PM
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Well, as soon as I get the engine running the cooling system will be under pressure, so that's one to test it, I understand those tool loaners the auto stores have are free, it's getting to the store the problem as I don't have another vehicle and it's in walking distance. For what it's worth and probably won't hold I pita zip tie, your self tapping screw idea is good, but wouldn't the head have to be as big as the hole of the tensioner or would I just pit a really big washer on it? I have sheet metal screws, one of them should do the trick. By way what's the procedure to remove a broken bolt on a mounted water pump? Thanks
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Friday, April 28th, 2023 AT 10:20 AM
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I was just thinking a small self-tapping screw in the hole you already drilled, or whatever you think will help secure it or at least help hold the tensioner a bit more. Did a bolt break on the new water pump? It really depends on what you can fit into the area of the broken section on the bolt. I try to get them out by soaking it in penetrating oil over night and drill, then try to get an extractor in the drilled hole. Some kits actually come with a drill bit that drills in the opposite way, then using a regular drill bit to try to spin what's left of the bolt out. There is never an easy way, especially when space is limited.
This video might help, he uses some techniques with a hammer and punch on the edge of a broken bolt in an engine block, might be helpful somewhat. I hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ky5JVxtqU
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Friday, April 28th, 2023 AT 4:14 PM
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I was able to use a machine self-tapping screw it snugged up tight, so I will just leave it at that. Yes I borrowed a torque wrench it was set to 71 ft lbs when it's supposed to be 71 inch lbs, so it's in a tight spot I thought tondrill and EZ out but it just seems too much of a hassle given the tight location and nit hacing an angle drill, and given my track record with bolt extraction I'm liable to make it worse. The bolt was hardly tight when it broke since after I over torqued it yesterday, I backed it off with a small driver and when I went to tighten it, that's when it broke, I doubt there is much torque on it and as far I've seen no rust. So, I put a dab of jbweld on the end of the sheared head put it in and held it with a little of the gasket stuff. I will let it cure and see if maybe I can loosen it if the jbweld holds up if not, I can try sealing it up with the gasket stuff and use a 7psi low pressure cap, apparently that's worked for others in a similar situation. Since I don't drive much and I don't plan on keeping the van too much longer I figure that's the best way to go. I also realized that since the bolt goes through the pump into the block I wouldn't be able to take the pump out without extracting the bolt, quite a predicament.
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Friday, April 28th, 2023 AT 9:38 PM
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Okay, I see what happened, yes considering how far you are along with the job, if that bolt was threaded into the water pump as well as into the block, which would be a difficult one to get out. With older higher mileage vehicles, a lot of things tend to break. I do hope everything holds up for as long as you keep the vehicle. And in this industry every job seems to be a learning experience.
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Saturday, April 29th, 2023 AT 4:05 PM
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Yes, that's the case unfortunately the jb weld idea didn't work, so I put the gasket maker on and now I need to get a low PSI cap, well I'm almost done I got everything back together except for some reason the power steering belt won't go on, tried it with the old belt same thing I was thinking maybe it's the balancer pulley, the only thing is that I used the bolt to push the pulley back on if that makes sense. I guess I can start it without the PS belt to test but I will have to the take the serpentine belt off since the PS belt is still on the balancer pulley loose. Any thoughts?
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Sunday, April 30th, 2023 AT 5:30 PM
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Do you have both of the power steering pump bolts free enough to move and adjust the pump position? The Harmonic balancer should really only seat in one position. I would put the belt on the crank first then the PS pump last. The lower bolt on the pump is the adjusting bolt.
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Sunday, April 30th, 2023 AT 7:48 PM

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