Ignition coil module suspected faulty, can I switch modules around?

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What is worse is that it's already difficult to get replacement modules for 10 year old vehicles. One of the hidden items the automaker EV deal with the feds is that they would stop making parts for the old vehicles! That way people would be forced to buy a replacement vehicle. It's why I have gone out and bought a few parts cars and stripped them for parts. I plan on completely rebuilding one and doing as much rust prevention as possible and having it ready for the future. May even put a couple other vehicles into storage as reserves.
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Tuesday, April 2nd, 2024 AT 10:35 PM
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OEMs are required to keep parts available for 10 years, but beyond that, the rest is largely aftermarket pressure on remanufacdurers/refurbishers to keep obsolete parts in stock.
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Wednesday, April 3rd, 2024 AT 1:25 PM
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Sort of true, there is an agreement to keep parts "available" for 10 years after the end of production of a vehicle, but there are a lot of exemptions to this as it isn't a law, just a handshake agreement made so auto makers could secure some items in a federal contract.
The only real law is the Magnuson-Moss warranty act, and it states they have to maintain parts availability for the length of the warranty. The other is the emissions warranty for those items covered under it.
That bit Ford a few years ago, a lady had bought a new truck and the heater control head failed real close to the end of the warranty. She went to Ford and they basically said, "Yep it's bad, but we no longer have that part, Sorry" Ford at that time had a real grocery list of options that added different switch options to the panel. The option package she had was like 1 of 10 built. She went to court over it and won, Ford ended up sending the control head to the company that made it and they built 100 replacement boards, but those were equipped with all the switches and became a "universal replacement". The switches that were not needed just didn't have the working buttons in the trim.
It can drive shops up the wall for some things.
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Wednesday, April 3rd, 2024 AT 2:28 PM
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Thanks for that clarification about enforceable requirement vs a "handshake agreement". Put differently, OEMs try to play games with at least some regulators at the federal and state levels, and sometimes get away with it.
The recent attention to Boeing's 737 SuperMax shows FAA used to call the aviation OEMs and airline companies "clients" and "partners", and sometimes they were left to meet FAA requirements by regulating themselves.
What could go wrong?
Of course, regulation itself is not necessarily the problem, but the failure to regulate intelligently, for the intended effect. As with troubleshooting any system, the problem frequently is "upstream"
* BTW, I am set to search for a used speedometer cable. How long should it be?
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Friday, April 5th, 2024 AT 3:10 PM
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There are a lot of those "agreements" in the auto manufacturers world.
If the speedo cable housing is intact you can get the inner cable as a universal item that you cut to fit and add an end to it.
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Friday, April 5th, 2024 AT 4:07 PM
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Maybe, the part number there doesn't show exact fitment. The inner cable might be correct length.
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Thursday, April 18th, 2024 AT 8:37 PM
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What length should I select?
For confirmation of correct eBay selection, if seller does not specify length, I can contact the eBay seller directly.
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Friday, April 19th, 2024 AT 12:34 AM
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I don't show the length or part number in the service information. I don't even recall a 98 as having a mechanical speedometer but an electronic one but it's been a while.
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Friday, April 19th, 2024 AT 1:22 AM
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Okay, Steve. I appreciate the effort. Thanks!
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Friday, April 19th, 2024 AT 7:28 PM
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Steve, preparing for the operation you suggested here--
"However, P0401 in a 3.8 can be caused by a bad EGR valve, but a more common reason in older engines is carbon build up in the EGR passages. Carbon blocks the ports and low or no flow is the result. They can be cleaned out using a chunk of small cable and a drill. Sort of like a Roto-Rooter"

I already have purchased a new EGR valve, because the technique of soaking the original EGR for hours in cleaning solution did not work. However, the new EGR valve did not improve flow, either, and I still got the code. If there is carbon build-up in the EGR passages, maybe this procedure will clear them of exhaust soot.

So, speedometer cable length may not matter-- I plan to use the cable simply to "ream out" the EGR passages of this 3.8L v6 engine, nothing more. The "cable" I have purchased from eBay is not an actual cable, but only the wound-wire casing surrounding the cable.

Here is Scotty Kilmer's YouTube video on the technique:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_eSvvuQm1E

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Wednesday, May 22nd, 2024 AT 12:11 AM
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After I have finished working with the speedometer cable, should I idle the engine or drive it around briefly before reattaching the EGR valve? I don't want loosened exhaust soot to enter the new EGR valve. Better to let it escape before reattaching the valve?
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Wednesday, May 22nd, 2024 AT 3:44 AM
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Once you have it rooted out just hit the throttle a few times to blow anything out then put it back together. If you can find a kleen screen gasket for it that would help a lot in case a chunk was still floating around.
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Wednesday, May 22nd, 2024 AT 8:29 AM
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Appreciate that-- I did not know such a product existed !
Now, I can keep the EGR valve cleaner, reducing the number of derivative problems.
Just a few minutes ago, I ordered a Kleen Screen, as you recommended.
As an experiment, I might also plug in the old valve, after all the "upstream" rooting is completed, and find the old valve no longer generates a P0401 code (because a soot blockage had remained upstream, even after cleaning the old EGR valve).
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Wednesday, May 22nd, 2024 AT 9:14 PM
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See how much comes out but I've seen large chunks a few times. The 4.3 engines were really bad for carbon build up causing the EGR to stick open. Then GM decided to share the misery with other engines.
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Wednesday, May 22nd, 2024 AT 10:06 PM
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Steve, after getting a few notifications from resellers that the Kleen Screen (product number 47007) is not compatible with the Buick 98 LeSabre 3.8L, I called Dorman, and spoke to a senior technician named Peter, who said Dorman does not make a Kleen Screen for the Buick.
At that, I asked Peter what he would recommend, but he had no recommendations.
Good idea, though, and thanks!
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Thursday, May 23rd, 2024 AT 12:47 PM
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Yeah, there were a number of different companies that made them, there are also screens that just pushed into the port like a freeze plug. They have sort of gone away because of design changes that deal with carbon better. These days just finding the correct parts can cost you hair! Finding a part that was only made for a specific use can be a real headache.
BUT if you look at the Standard Products VG214 you might be surprised, and if you look at the two in the image, I attached above you might also notice something, IE just because they say it "isn't right" doesn't mean it doesn't fit. GM only used a few EGR base designs.
You might like https://www.3800pro.com/ if you want some "light" reading..
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Thursday, May 23rd, 2024 AT 1:00 PM
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Steve, one of the gaskets has exactly the right footprint for the original, so I'll call Standard Products now, and ask about their #VG214. And if they claim incompatibility, I'll ask why it will not work.
Thanks for the link to the 3800 forum-- these are very useful, which is why you use them.
Will keep you posted.
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Thursday, May 23rd, 2024 AT 1:11 PM
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Well, considering it is in their catalog and can be bought for the 3.8 in multiple parts stores. I don't know what they will say unless they stopped making them. But the Dorman one is the same base design.
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Thursday, May 23rd, 2024 AT 1:24 PM
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Standard's technician said product VG214 will work with the pneumatic EGR valves, but not the electronic EGR valves. According to the tech representative, the wire screen "screws up the electronics".
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Thursday, May 23rd, 2024 AT 1:25 PM

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