Overheating engine

Tiny
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I have had a problem with the car overheating. Primarily happens when I'm at a stand still -- such as going to a drive through restaurant. Needle slowly creeps up -- eventually buries itself in the H.

Just had the thermostat replaced -- no help, car still overheating.

Mechanic jumped straight to it must be a bad/cracked head gasket.

Does this make sense? Could it be anything else? Can't really afford a $1700 repair.

Help!
Monday, January 28th, 2008 AT 12:18 PM

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Tiny
RASMATAZ
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It could be the fans are not turning out here is a guide to help test the fan motors and a general guide on over heating.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/replace-electric-fan-motor

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-overheating-or-running-hot

Please run down these guides and report back.
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Monday, January 28th, 2008 AT 2:24 PM
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Great guide I found out my radiator motor was burned up got a new one for $76.00 all fixed! I love this site.
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:40 PM
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04 Honda 1.7, had bad water pump rattle over heat. Replaced pump timeing belt. Put back togeather, cranked first turn over. Run hot, replaced thermostat. Still ran hot lower radiator was cold top hot. Tried to bleed system bottom hose got warm, not hot and could get not heat inside car. Heater on. Fan off. Car run great, runs up to normal on heat, race motor are drive it it gets really hot. Any help. Thanks
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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So how did you bleed the cooling system?Sounds like you have air in the system.
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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TALL PAUL UC
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I tried several ways, I took the cap the cap off and fast idled idle the motor that didn't work. Then pulled the fan switch out as a bleeder and tried that. It snowed 12 hrs yesterday and is 5 % here today so I thought I would ask for advice before playing in water again. Any thing you tell me will help. Thanks
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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Saturn tech9, think I solved the overheating problem. I had to let it get cold and then bleed it just did that and got heat and so far no over heat. I had done this on 05 Nissan and just had to open cap and let air out, more air with water pump I guess. Thanks for answer back.
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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Glad to hear it usually the hondas have a bleeder screw up top you start the engine and crack open the bleeder and wait till you get a steady flow of coolant out of it.
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My car has been overheating. I have had the radiator, thermostat and even a head gasket replaced and for some reason it is still overheating. I cannot figure out why the coolant has been changed and flushed. The vehicle overheats randomly and it smells like burning rubber. Any suggestions or help would be appreciated. Thank you
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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Yeah satt9, I guess that would have been to easy I looked every place, no dice. Thanks again.
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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You did not mention whether the radiator fan is turning on. When does the overheating occur? If it only overheats at low speeds, the fan is the best suspect. Also, check for debris blocking air flow. If the car has air conditioning, the condenser can become blocked which reduces air flow through the radiator.

Has the engine been rechecked for a leaking head gasket? It is not uncommon for a new one to leak, although the way you described the symptoms, this is probably not the best suspect, but it is not something you want to overlook.
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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Your welcome anytime.
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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Yes the fans are coming on. And it has not overheated since I have been leaving the heat on.
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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The heater core is a small radiator. If blowing fresh air through it keeps the engine cool, that suggests the radiator is not doing its job. Since it is new, there is not enough air flow through it. You still did not say at what speeds this occurs.

Also, check for a rubber seal along the front of the hood that runs from side to side. If that is missing, air can blow over the top of the radiator instead of through it.
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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First the car started overheating only it was sitting in idle. As soon as you would go or if you revved the engine the needle would immediately drop after a few seconds. Replaced the thermostat. It seemed fixed, but started doing it again, put in a new thermostat incase other one was faulty. Still having same problem.
The system was pressure testing and everything was fine. Then had the system flushed and new thermostat put in. It worked for about 150 miles and started doing the same thing.
Brought it in for the water pump, the old one was corroded and warped so it seemed like the problem. After about 100 or so miles still overheating when idle.
We had the radiator replaced, the old one was complete junk, thermostat replaced too. I drove it like normal in town for a day, the next day it started overheating, this time it was doing it while driving, got to about 3/4 up. Turned the car off for a bit, and it didn't do it anymore on the way home.
Today I was driving and it was fine for 4 miles, I sat idling for 1 minute, after driving 1 more mile it started overheating, temp gauge got to halfway. I parked it for a bit and started driving, there was no heat coming from the heater, I had it full blast, nothing but cold air. The car started overheating again, once again halfway. Parked for about 3 minutes and then turned it on, temp was fine and it was blowing full heat out, the car temp was fine the whole way home, no more overheating.

The next step we will take is to replace the head gasket and/or heater core. Is there anything else that this could be? Literally the same week the overheating started, the rear lights were having issues and one time there was no power to the windows. Then the door locks would stop and then work again intermittently. The door locks no longer work at all. Not sure if it is just a coincidence, maybe everything is breaking at once. But there has been no loss of coolant and the oil and coolant consistency have been normal too.

I will add, all the repair work except the first two thermostats has been done by a mechanic. The car has previously made it just past 3/4 on the temperature gauge, recently I do not let it go past halfway as it is climbing and I shut it off to wait for cooldown.
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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Sure sounds like your fan's not working properly to me.
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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Thank you. I am going to bring it into another mechanic to have it checked out.
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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I have been fighting this overheating issue for close to a year now. Car will be fine for a few months then overheat again. Thus far I've had head gasket replaced and head checked for cracks with no cracks or warping noted on head. The radiator all hoses and water pump has been replaced as well as several thermostats. The head gasket was replaced relatively early on in these repairs. And since then I have not had car heat to red line again. Car is still pressure testing fine but continues to overheat. About 5 days ago had car towed to shop for overheating. They replaced radiator again stating seal was defective. Last night car overheated again. Now they think its the gasket causing pressure to build and causing radiator to malfunction. At this point I'm not sure what the issue could be but I'm sick of the car overheating. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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You didn't mention anything about the electric radiator fan. Have you checked to be sure it's turning on?
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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I had no problems with my car for 10 years. Moved to Oklahoma from Texas and it has been one thing after another. I got a new starter and need new back brakes (I guess). But, it won't stop overheating. Thermostat and sensor (?) Were changed and fans are working. The mechanic referred to me says it's probably head gasket because coolant is leaking out and burning off and wants $800 to fix it. And he said I have a small oil leak. But, when it gets hot in traffic or a drive thru I can watch the needle go back down to half way to C. It goes up and down sometimes. Sometimes it stays near H and doesn't cool off until I start driving. It will not run hot until a week or two after filled with coolant. I need to drive from Moore to Houston a lot (7 hours one way), but I'm afraid it's going to croak on me. Im a single Mom and cant lose my car. Any suggestions? Oh and I live in Oklahoma City area if that helps. Thank you for any help
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Tuesday, July 9th, 2019 AT 4:41 PM (Merged)
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Everything you described sounds like a leaking cylinder head gasket. That occurs from time and mileage, not location or type of driving. The cost you were quoted sounds reasonable.

There is a quick chemical test to verify the diagnosis. It involves drawing air from the radiator while the engine is running, through a glass cylinder with two chambers partially-filled with a special dark blue liquid. If combustion gases are present, the liquid will turn bright yellow.

The two main symptoms are the loss of coolant and the varying coolant temperature. Coolant will leak into the cylinder, be burned, and will disappear out the tail pipe. When combustion gases go the other way, they sneak into the cooling system and can pool under the thermostat. That prevents it from opening because thermostats only open in response to hot liquid, not hot air. The closed thermostat causes engine temperature to go up, as you observed, then when some hot coolant splashes onto it, the thermostat opens and lets coolant flow to the radiator and engine temperature goes back down.
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