Headlight turn signal not working properly?

Tiny
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I had damage to the front left of my car listed above, so I changed the left headlight, but it’s turn signal doesn’t want to work, the signal works though when you have the hazards on. I plugged in the headlight into the right-side connector, and it works perfectly on that side. What could be the issue, any ideas?
Monday, August 21st, 2023 AT 2:15 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

If the headlamp is working and the DRL, it isn't a ground problem. So, we need to check for power at the connector. By chance, does the rear left signal work?

If you look below, I attached the wiring schematic for the light assembly so that you have a reference.

With the connector disconnected at the light assembly, confirm the light blue wire has power at all times. If it does, turn the key on and the left turn signal. Check the purple wire for power.

Here is a link you may find helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

Let me know what you find or if you have questions.

Take care,

Joe

See pics below. Note: I highlighted the relevant wiring.
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Monday, August 21st, 2023 AT 8:27 PM
Tiny
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Light blue wire has full power, but the purple wire is jumping all over the place. And yes, the rear turn signal does work.
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Monday, August 21st, 2023 AT 9:17 PM
Tiny
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I also checked the right side headlight connector and it was reading the same on every wire?
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Monday, August 21st, 2023 AT 9:51 PM
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Hi,

All the readings are the same on the right side? What do you get if you check the red wire on the left side? Also, when you check things on the right side, the signal power should strobe. Is that happening?

Let me know.

Joe
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Tuesday, August 22nd, 2023 AT 6:56 PM
Tiny
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The small red wire gets like.24 voltage and the thicker ted wire gets 12v, I’m not sure what strobe means so I couldn’t confirm that on the right side headlight.
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Tuesday, August 22nd, 2023 AT 7:48 PM
Tiny
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I'm only seeing one red wire at the assembly. You have two?

Let me know.

Joe
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Wednesday, August 23rd, 2023 AT 6:48 PM
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Yes, I have two red wire a thinner one and a thicker one.
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Wednesday, August 23rd, 2023 AT 7:01 PM
Tiny
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Do you think that an aftermarket headlight would cause this issue? Because the new headlight I bought was off eBay and it’s aftermarket.
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Wednesday, August 23rd, 2023 AT 7:04 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

I wouldn't think that would cause it, but anything is possible. Are you able to connect the new light to the right side to see if it works? If you are getting the exact same readings on both sides, it may be the light. Are there the same number of wires on the right side?

Let me know.

Joe
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Wednesday, August 23rd, 2023 AT 8:20 PM
Tiny
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When I connect the headlight to the right side it works perfectly fine, also when I connect the right-side OEM headlight to the left side connector starts doing the same thing as the new headlight. So that’s why I’m guessing it’s not the headlights but something different.

Yes, both side connectors have the same wires.
Do you think that when the impact happened to the vehicle to the headlight it sent some kind of signal to the ECU box and now it’s causing this issue?
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Wednesday, August 23rd, 2023 AT 9:04 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

If you have the same readings on both sides but one works and one doesn't, chances are the body control module is faulty. You could check this by scanning the can-bus.

CAN stands for controller area network. Basically, the different modules are tied together via a few wires. This type of scan can retrieve codes regardless of the module storing them.

Here is a link showing how it's done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/can-scan-controller-area-network-easy

I have a question. You indicated the same voltage readings are present on the opposite side. When you turn the signal on (the good side), do you get that crazy jumping around of voltage? I ask because I would suspect it to jump between 0 and 12v as the light would be flashing on and off. This is one of the odd cases where an analog multimeter would be clearer.

Let me know.

Joe
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Thursday, August 24th, 2023 AT 7:25 PM
Tiny
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Yes, when I check the purple wire on the right side it shows the same voltage what the left side purple wire shows.
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Thursday, August 24th, 2023 AT 8:49 PM
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Hi,

Okay. At this point, I feel we need to scan the can-bus as mentioned. I wouldn't want to recommend replacing the body control module (BCM) without confirmation something is failing.

Let me know if that is something you can do or have done.

Joe
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Friday, August 25th, 2023 AT 7:03 PM
Tiny
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I went to a local guy couple days ago and he scanned my vehicle with his expensive professional car scanner and he said nothing is showing up that’s faulty and no codes indicating headlight malfunction.
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Friday, August 25th, 2023 AT 7:28 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

If he scanned the can-bus and nothing is present, I'm not sure what to say. I suspect when a load it being placed on the wiring, it is failing. However, that is a theory.

I am going to ask the site owner if he has any ideas. If you see a response from Ken, that is him. Let's see what he has to say.

Take care,

Joe
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Friday, August 25th, 2023 AT 7:52 PM
Tiny
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It looks like the aftermarket headlight is not good, the light blue wire goes to the fuse directly so it should have 12 volts all the time. Can you retest the light-blue wire for 12 volts please? The video is great to help us fix it. Please keep uploading. Also let's check the ground #G018 near the left side of the engine compartment. This guide can help, and I have included the headlight wiring diagrams so you can see how the system works.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-test-light-circuit-tester

Check out the images (below). Let us know what happens and please upload pictures or videos of the problem so we can see what's going on.
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Saturday, August 26th, 2023 AT 10:43 AM
Tiny
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Light blue wire has 12v while car is off and on.
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Saturday, August 26th, 2023 AT 11:39 AM
Tiny
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The issue I’m experiencing.
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Saturday, August 26th, 2023 AT 11:44 AM
Tiny
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I’m not sure which ground wire you wanted me to check but this one on the left side looks intact.
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Saturday, August 26th, 2023 AT 11:46 AM
Tiny
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If it is headlight, I would change it out to OEM no problem, but I’m hesitant because when I plug in the right headlight which is OEM to the left side connector it does exactly what the aftermarket headlight does as in the video I just sent. When I plug the aftermarket headlight into the right connector it works as it should.
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Saturday, August 26th, 2023 AT 11:57 AM

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