Will not start after running out of gas

Hi,

Are you able to hear if the fuel pump primes for a couple of seconds when the key is first turned on? If not, then you really should perform a fuel pressure test. You will need a fuel pressure gauge, but most parts stores will lend one to you. Here is a link that explains how it's done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Now, if you don't hear the pump and there is no pressure to the engine, we need to determine if there is power going to the fuel pump. Although the fuse is good, we can still lose power at other places.

There are two fuses of interest. One is for the fuel pump and the other is for the fuel injectors. Here is how it works: When the fuel pump should turn on, the ECM sends power to the fuel pump relay primary circuit which energizes the coil in the relay. This closes the switch in the relay allowing power to flow from the fuel pump fuse to the pump.

So, I need you to check both fuses. Note that the 10-amp fuel pump fuse will only have power when the relay is energized. The 30-amp fuse should have power with the key in the on position.

In addition to checking the condition of the fuses, make sure there is power to and from therm. Here is a link you may find helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

If they are good, remove the fuel pump relay and switch it with a different relay in the box having the same part number. If there isn't one, here is a link that explains how to test a relay:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-an-electrical-relay-and-wiring-control-circuit

I attached the schematic related to the fuel pump for your reference.

Let me know what you find or if you have other questions.

Take care,

Joe

See pic below.

Hi,

If you are getting fuel to the filter, will it now start or at least try to start? The idea of you walking five miles is a bit disturbing. I wish I were there to help.

Take care and let me know what I can do to help.

Joe

Hi guys. I wanted to add a note of value earlier. On my old rusty trusty '88 Grand Caravan, the fuel pickup sits in a bowl in the middle of the tank. That keeps the fuel from running away when cornering with very low fuel level. When refueling, the fuel runs out of the fill hose and dumps into that bowl. That lets the engine restart right away with as little as a quart of gas. When running, that bowl is kept full by the fuel returning from the fuel rail and pressure regulator on the engine. It rushes up a ramp around the bowl. That action suctions more fuel along with it that runs uphill into the bowl to keep it full as the tank level gets real low.

On my '94 Grand Voyager, the fuel from the filler tube misses that bowl and just goes into the rest of the tank. I found that after running it out of gas, it takes a minimum of five gallons when sitting on level ground, for the fuel level to get high enough for some to overflow into the bowl. 4 1/2 gallons isn't enough to spill into the bowl, so you'll have a crank / no-start due to lack of fuel.

I saw six gallons mentioned in the original post and wondered if that simply wasn't enough to reach the fuel pickup assembly. You might consider adding a few more gallons before pursuing the hard stuff. If that helps, feel free to think I'm a genius. If not, you'll have to continue on with the diagnosis.

Carry on.

Hi,

That is excellent info. Thanks, Randy. It certainly is worth trying. By chance, have you tried?

Let us know.

Joe

Hi James,

We need to determine if the new fuel pump has power to it. Have you checked the fuse and fuel pump relay that I mentioned in an earlier post?

If you have and they are all good, we need to check for power at the fuel pump. At the pump, there is a green wire with a yellow tracer. That will have power for only a couple of seconds when first turning on the key to start the vehicle, so you will need a helper to do this.

Also, there will be a black wire that is for ground. If you find there is power to the green/yellow wire, then you need to confirm continuity to ground on the black wire. If there is continuity and there is power, you must have gotten a bad pump.

Do me a favor. In addition to checking the black wire for continuity to ground, locate where it grounds at the right rear of the vehicle and make sure it is in good condition.

Here is a link you may find helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

Let me know what you find or if you have questions.

Take care,

Joe