No starter operation the engine does not crank over?

Tiny
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Started just fine, got in to drive home from work, no speedometer, tachometer, oil, battery, gauges, or windshield wipers drove it for approximately 7 miles decided to pull into a gas station to turn it off them back on see if my gauges would work, and that's when it would not restart. It turns over just fine, no fire. No windshield wipers with key in on position, but the work in accessory, dome light only works briefly after I insert key, locks intermittently unlock and lock themselves. When I first insert key and wiggle it back and forth I hear the ding briefly. Headlights work just fine.
Tuesday, February 18th, 2020 AT 10:52 PM

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Tiny
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Good morning,

The first thing I would do is check the battery and make sure it is not bad. You need 12.4 to 12.6 volts.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-load-test

Beyond that, I would look for codes in the body control module. That is what controls all the items that have an issue.

Roy
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Wednesday, February 19th, 2020 AT 3:01 AM
Tiny
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Hello,

This could be a problem with your vehicle's Generic Electronic Module[GEM]. Before we condemn the GEM, let's take a look at Ground #201 in the left hand side foot well and make sure that it is clean, corrosion free, tight, and making good metal to metal contact first. This is the ground that the GEM is grounded with. In the diagrams down below I have included the GEM wiring diagrams, a diagram of the GEM's location as well as a diagram of the location of Ground #201. Please check this ground and get back to us with what you find out.

Thanks,
Alex
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Wednesday, February 19th, 2020 AT 3:16 AM
Tiny
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SCGRANTURISMO you nailed it. Thank you so much. I relocated the ground ans everything is functioning properly. I really appreciate it.
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Thursday, February 20th, 2020 AT 10:40 AM
Tiny
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I removed the fuel injectors reassemble, the truck won't
crank just a rattle behind the engine. Sounds like when the starter is bad.
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:45 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Welcome to 2CarPros.

Is it a clicking you are hearing? If so, perform a general load test on the battery. Also, before doing it, confirm that the battery terminals are clean and tight.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-load-test

If the battery checks good, I need you to check to see if the starter is getting 12 volts at the solenoid. Here is a link that shows how that is done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

Do these two things and let me know the results.

Joe
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:45 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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The problem started when I left in the morning, my windows, radio, and dome light stopped working. I got home and attempted to fix the problem. I was not getting any voltage to the ignition wire going from my radio so I jumped a different wire and all electronics working again. I attempted to start the car and nothing happened which I thought was very peculiar. So far I have obviously checked the battery, starter, and ignition switch. The only thing I have discovered is that the starter relay in the hood is not getting power when the key is turned to ignition. Any further suggestions would be greatly appreciated. One more thing, jumping the starter does crank it and clipping the relay also cranks it.
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:45 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Good evening,

I attached a wiring diagram for you to view.

Check the 2 fuses listed for power on both sides. The 40 amp is a constant hot. The other fuse has power only in the start position.

Roy
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:46 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Currently look at slot 21 and there is no 15 amp in the slot.
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:46 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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What is in the slot? Do you have power on one of the lugs with the key in the start position?

Did you check the 40 amp fuse?

Roy
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:46 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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I appreciate quick help. I wasn’t aware that the fuse fell out. I replaced the fuse with a 15 amp and started up right away.
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:46 PM (Merged)
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Truck won't start consistently but trip/odometer gauge stays lit with dashes not numbers, under dash I can hear a rapid ticking/crackling sound. Fuel pump is new after same problem over a month ago. Battery is new. After-market auto car starter was installed before I purchased, could this be part of the problem?

Local Ford dealer did diagnostic check and found that the alternator was bad but my mechanic tested and it was fine.

My mechanic found shorted wires in the drivers door, and engine side of firewall, and along the frame rail under truck bed.
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:46 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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What did the shorted wires go to? Also, I want you to check alt output so we know for sure. Here is a how to. All you need is a volt meter. It is easy. Check it and let me know what you find.

https://www.2carpros.com/how_to/how_to_test_alternator.htm

Joe
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:46 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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One shorted wire went to the fuel pump and the other went to the power mirrors. There were only two, I was mistaken on the third.

I unplugged the battery 7 days ago and left it overnight. The next morning I was able to start it and it has been running for a week. This morning I went out to start it and the door chime went off with out the key in the ignition. The truck started but when I put it in gear the 4x4 dash light was clicking rapidly, in Neutral it went out but came back on in Drive. When the light was on the power windows would not work, but when it went out the window would. I could smell something like hot wires under the dash when I got home from a 6 mile drive.

The last time the truck wouldn't start it had been raining all night, and this time was the same. Could moisture be getting in somewhere?
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:46 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Yes, water could be the problem and I know exactly where I want you to look. Under the dash, behind the fuse panel, there is module. It is called the GEM (generic electronic module). A very common problem with these vehicles is a windshield leak. The water leaks down onto the GEM and causes lights to flash, starters to engage them self.

Check that and see if there is any evidence that water was there. I feel really confident that is the problem.

Let me know what you find.

Joe
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:46 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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I checked under the dash on the driver's side and the carpet WAS very wet. Has the windshield checked out at Portland Glass and they found that three quarters of the factory installed windshield was not properly sealed.

Thank you for your help so far, I had the truck washed today and have had no problems yet. More water was used on the windshield and seal to see if there was still a leak and there was none.


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/553930_misc_023_1.jpg

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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:46 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Nice truck. Glad you got it fixed. Listen, if you start having trouble in the future, start with the GEM. There may have been damage to it.

Let me know if you have questions, and thanks for using 2carpros. Com.

Joe
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:46 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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I attempted to replace the battery cables on my truck. I disconnected the cables from the starter relay module on the firewall. When I realized how difficult replacing the cables was going to be I decided to just replace the battery connector clamps instead. I hooked everything back up. When I hooked up the starter relay module I put the wires on wrong (I didn't know this until after I replaced the battery and the starter later). I connected the cable from the battery correctly but, the 2 wires from the starter and the alternator were incorrect. They were both supposed to connect to the same post on the starter relay module but, I put one on the lower post and the other on the top post. Anyhow, I started the engine and it fired up immediately. I heard a loud crackling sound from under the hood and I jumped out to see what it was. I couldn't see anything and I couldn't make out where the sound was coming from because of the fan motor making so much noise. As I was looking for the sound it just suddenly stopped and the engine sounded normal again. I shut off the engine and tried to restart but, all it does is make a single click at the starter relay module. After I realized much later that the wires were placed incorrectly, I replace the starter relay module as well, but it still just makes a single click when I turn the key. I have checked all the fuses that I know of under the hood and under the dash. I don't know how to test relays in the fuse box. I don't know what else to check. Please help.
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:46 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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I'm sending pics for starting as well as charging hook these up correctly and you should be ok. But you probably blew the main battery fuse which is there so you dont' catch your vehicle on fire. You may need a pro do do this anyhow as there are two fusible links between battery and relay.
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:46 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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I have a 2002 F150 5.4L engine. When I try to start my truck it does nothing no noise no turn over. Battery is fine all lights work. Had the starter checked it is fine. Had my after market auto starter and theft device checked all installed and works fine. The truck will not start however. What else could it be. Looked for a starter relay however there isnt one. Is there one in the computer mechenism? Any suggestions that could point me in the right direction would help. Truck just stopped starting. Then started maybe 5 times after doing nothing to it and now wont start again.
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Sunday, May 30th, 2021 AT 3:46 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Here is a wiring schematic of the starting system. Take a look at it. According to the schematic, there is a starter relay. These guides can help us fix it

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-load-test

Check out the diagrams (Below). Please let us know what you find. We are interested to see what it is.
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