The battery is completely drained in the Morning or even after a couple hours?

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SARAH MARTIN
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My car will stop and then doesn't want to start. The battery is completely drained in the morning or even after a couple hours. I have put in a new battery, a new motor, a new fuel pump modulator and the battery still completely drains and wont start.
Tuesday, March 19th, 2019 AT 1:52 PM

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Tiny
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Good afternoon,

You have a parasitic drain on the battery. You need to check for the circuit that is causing the drain.

You need to remove the negative battery cable and put a voltmeter in line. Red lead on the battery post and the black lead on the cable. Set the meter to DC amps and wait for thirty minutes. Then see what reading is on the meter. It should be 50-75 milliamps.

If it is more, then remove fuses one by one until the draw drops to the specs. when it does then you know the circuit that is causing the drain.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-dead-overnight

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Tuesday, March 19th, 2019 AT 3:39 PM
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Car runs great. Smooth as it can be. If I go a day without driving it some the battery will be too weak to to start the car. I can jump start it and everything will be fine as long as I drive it enough to keep the battery charged. Back in the day I would put an amp meter in line to see what I have going on. It would be easy to pull fuses or move cables around until I found the source. I can't do that today with a computer that comes on as soon as I open the door, etc.

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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:48 PM (Merged)
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Hello,

It sounds like your vehicle has a parasitic draw, which making the battery drain slowly.
When the battery loses its charge over a short period of time due to a voltage drain in the electrical system which is called a parasitic draw.
It could happen form the dome light, trunk link or glove box light staying on overnight. Could be for a faulty window switch or power seat switch. It could happen from just about any electrical equipment in the car.

Take a look at this article, you might find it helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-dead-overnight

Also this is a very good video on how to check for parasitic draw:

https://youtu.be/z5F7WpgjaRs

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-voltmeter

I have also attached instructions (look below) on how to do the testing.

Please follow those steps and let me know if you have any questions.

Thank you.
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:48 PM (Merged)
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JEFF WINTER
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My car has an intermittent parasitic current draw that drains my battery within 8 hours. I have replaced the alternator and a new battery. I placed an oscilloscope with a current clamp on the negative of the battery. The scope shows intermittent triangular wave forms with a peak current draw of 1- 2 amps. I have measured the voltage drops across all the fuses and there is no indication of a voltage drop.
What could be the cause of this intermittent triangular current draw?

Thanks for your assistance.
Jeff
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:49 PM (Merged)
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Good evening,

I attached a guide for you to view for the parasitic draw.

Put your amp meter in line with the negative cable and check the draw. Pull each fuse one at a time until the draw goes down to 50-75 milliamps. Then you will know the circuit that is causing the draw.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-dead-overnight

Roy
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:49 PM (Merged)
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Everytime I charge my battery the car will run all day with the heat, lights and everything on without going dead. As soon as I turn the car off and turn it back on the battery goes dead even with a new battery, also the gauges tends to go crazy the first 20 seconds the car is started.
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:50 PM (Merged)
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Hello,

Have you checked out the Alternator? Check out the link below to test.....

https://www.2carpros.com/how_to/how_to_test_alternator.htm

This guide can help as well

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-dead-overnight

Please run down these guides and report back.
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:50 PM (Merged)
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Using a test light I narrowed down the drain to fuse F2.33. The problem is that I don't have a clue where to go from here to isolate the drain. The fuse covers five circuits: Remote Climate Control module, Instrument cluster, Multi-function switch, Integrated Control Panel, and Smart Junction Box. Other than the instrument cluster, I don't even know where to look for the other four. Can you help me?
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:50 PM (Merged)
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So the way to find the draw at this point is to monitor the off draw amps by hooking the meter inline with the negative battery terminal. Then you will want to go and unhook each of the components on this circuit. You are correct with each one of them.

The multifunction switch is the turn signal switch on the left hand side of the steering wheel.

The cluster is all the gauges which I think you are aware of.

The integrated control module is part of the cluster. It is its' own component but is not serviceable separate.

The junction block is where the fuse is located.

I suspect you have an issue in the cluster so I would unplug it and see if the draw goes awy. If not then you need to move on back again I would start with the cluster.

Let me now if there are questions. Thanks
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:50 PM (Merged)
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Door ajar light will not go off when all doors are shut, could it be draining my batt. If so how do I unhook it?
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:50 PM (Merged)
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Yes, it could.
The switches that control the lights for open doors are made right into the door latches and they have a history of sticking and causing problems like that.

Here is a technique that often works well and eliminates the problem at no cost.

Get a can of spray lube like WD40 or something like it and has a straw on the nozzle. Spray it generously up into the latch mechanism. Now open and close the door numerous times to work it in. Repeat this process several times. Since you don't really know which door is causing the problem, you should do all of them. It's usually caused by the most frequently used door but it's not guaranteed to be that one.
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:50 PM (Merged)
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Vehicle will have no electrical power left in battery if it sits over night. They put a new battery in it and the alternator is charging close to 14 volts. Under the dash you can hear a clicking in the fuse box the battery saver relay is making noise. Nothing turned on in the car or key in ignition although the drivers door was ajar to detect this. Hooking up a test light on the battery post to see what if any draw and it lights up and flash's on and off constantly does not stop flashing watched it for a half hour no security light on and vehicle will start.
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:50 PM (Merged)
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There are two problems with your test method. The first is, while the test light did indeed show there is a draw, it takes a good quarter amp to make the filament glow enough to see. Unless specified differently by the manufacturer, the maximum allowable drain is 35 milliamps, (.035 amps). At that rate, a good, fully-charged battery will still crank an engine fast enough to start after sitting for three weeks. You could have a tenth of an amp draw, which is three times what is allowable, and never see it with a test light. You need to use a digital volt/ohm/amp meter on the amps ranges to accurately check for a draw.

The second problem is by the mid 1990's, a lot of cars had engine computers or body computers that needed up to twenty minutes to go to "sleep" mode. Until they did that, they could draw up to three amps. More importantly, doing anything to break the circuit, even for an instant, wakes those computers up again, and you have to wait for up to another twenty minutes.

Most digital meters have a two-amp internal fuse for the volts, resistance, and most of the amps ranges. A computer drawing three amps will blow that fuse, so you have to start out on the 10-amp range. That is done by moving the positive meter lead to a special unfused jack for just that range. Once you see the draw drop down after the computers have gone to sleep mode, you need to switch to a lower range for more accuracy. By unplugging the meter lead, you just broke the circuit. When you plug it into the common jack, the computers will draw higher current and blow the meter's fuse. "Darn the bad luck"!

If you were lucky enough to not blow the fuse, you will start out on the highest amps range, then switch to a lower range to get more accuracy. All meters use a "break-before-make" rotary switch. That means as you rotate the knob, the connection is broken from one range, then as you turn it further, the connection is made to the next range. That momentary gap is sufficient to wake up the computers, and "blooey", another blown fuse.

You need to do something so the circuit is never totally broken while waiting for the computers to time out. That means placing a small jumper wire from one meter lead to the other one. The jumper bypasses the meter and lets you move the positive lead to a different jack, or switch ranges, without ever creating an open circuit. Once you get the meter set to where you want it, you can remove the jumper wire, then current drain has to go through the meter. If you want to switch to a lower range, pop the jumper wire back on, switch to the range, then remove the jumper.

Once you see what you have for current drain after the computers have gone to sleep, you can remove fuses or move things around to see what makes that current drop. Do not forget to deactivate the interior lights if you have to open a door. You may be able to make some generalizations once you know the exact amount of the drain. For example, a glove box light draws close to half an amp. Two brake light bulbs draw a total of two amps. A Ford radio will draw around 3/4 amp when it's not turned off. It's not uncommon to find a combination of a pair of horns not wroking, and a sticking horn switch. All that will be drawing current is the horn relay, and that would typically be around a tenth of an amp.

Ford's voltage regulators have a constant twelve volt supply connected right to the battery, and a separate turn-on circuit incorporating the dash warning light. If the regulator fails to turn off, the generator can draw as much as three amps. There is a 15-amp fuse for that circuit, but it is faster to just unplug the three-wire connector at the back of the generator. If that makes the draw drop to normal, the regulator can be unbolted from the back of the generator and replaced separately. By around 2001 or 2002, the engineers needed to do away with that convenience, so they added a cover to make the job much more difficult.
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:50 PM (Merged)
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I have just bought a new battery the car stated and ran about 15 minutes and started 2 other times just to start it to see if it would. The battery completely drained to where it would not take a charge. I just got replacement battery hoping I just got a bad one. Well same thing only this time it started the car once ran for a few minutes and dead this morning. I have made sure everything is off. I am not sure what to do next. I can't keep replacing batteries to start a car one time. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:50 PM (Merged)
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Get an analog voltmeter remove the negative battery cable, attach the Black lead to the battery post, Red lead to cable end, then pull fuses one at a time, make sure there are no accessories or lights in the on position, Key off! Close the door have someone in the car, pull fuses one at a time after each fuse check meter, when you pull the fuse for the bad curcuit, the meter will drop to 1 volt or so. Check all fuses, even under the hood. If meter does not drop, remove the battery connection from the alternator, if it drops now, the diodes are bad in the alternator. Put the fuse back in were it goes as you go so you don't forget which fuse goes were! Wait several minutes after hooking up the meter before pulling fuses, test with a good battery!

This guide should help us fix the problem

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-dead-overnight

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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:50 PM (Merged)
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Battery drain, drawing.4a (400ma) w/everything off & waiting 45mnts for electrical modules etc. To go in "sleep" mode. Isolated draw to
battery saver relay and fuse. Draw drops to.16-.18a when removing fuse. Swapped relay same results also can hear relay click on when
putting fuse back in. Ruled out dome light as culprit. Could the power window motors be causing drain even w/ ignition off? Could the GEM
behind fuse block in cabin be the problem and is there a way to test it? Trunk light is on different circuit and amp draw is normal when trunk closed. Is there other components on this circuit besides dome light and power windows? Thank you in advance for any guidance in resolving
this issue
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:51 PM (Merged)
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400 milliamps is not bad draw considering all the items needing battery power.

Did you have the battery tested for internal short causing it dieing?

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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:51 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hey ASEMaster6371 Thanks for fast response. I have not had battery checked, my original thought was the battery after the 2nd
time it went dead on me. The car has not been on the road for about 6 months wich is also when I put new battery in, I have been starting
the car every few days since then. The dead battery issue started about 6weeks ago, I have charged the battery full w/charger It holds
charge for days when not hooked to car and loses 80% of charge after being hooked to car for 12-16hrs. The 400ma did'nt seem too
much to me either but literature I've been reading says normal max should be 200ma. I just checked on batt. After being hooked to
car w/fuse removed for batt. Saver, windows etc. Circuit for about 12 hrs and it lost too much charge 12.8v down to 10.8v. The battery
is still under warranty so I will exchange it for new one later this evening.I will put fuse back in and monitor new battery over 24 hr period.
This is not primary car so there is no rush getting it on the road (unless my girls car breaks down then all bets are off ha) so I have the
luxury of taking time in resolving this issue. Also have jump box & charger so if excessive drain is the problem bringing Batt. Back up is
not a problem. Will let you know results after above mentioned test w/new batt. Thanks again for your response. Also Alternator
does check out fine 14v-14.5v
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:51 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Is it just my bad typing skills or does amp; pop up on its own after typing the & symbol
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Wednesday, July 28th, 2021 AT 1:51 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Just wanted to post update I was not aware that turning lock cylinder to unlock driver door would wake up GEM. So when
I checked amp draw the GEM was in awake mode wich would explain the 400ma reading. I replaced battery, put fuse back in
and took reading got.45a-.5a After 45 minutes and without using key on door lock the GEM went into sleep mode and draw dropped
to.18a-.2a Everything should be good to go now but will know for sure in a few days. As ASEMaster6371 suggested it appears the battery
was bad, probably came off the shelf that way as it was not that old. The door lock thing makes sense as a safety feature so inside of car will
be lit from dome light before opening door. I disconnected dome while troubleshooting so it was not noticable that it was trying to come on
when unlocking door.
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