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Engine will turn over but no spark?

Tiny
ACBJR22
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  • 1997 DODGE RAM
Electrical problem V8 Four Wheel Drive Automatic 300000 miles

I have a new ECM and have run a wire to test the fuel pump cutting on and that works when I ran the jumper. I turn on the switch and all the normal. Lights come on but not the engine light. I try to start the truck and I get on spark and no fuel pump running does anyone know what the problem is.

I have checked and swapped the relay out with 2 others that work and still nothing it is like the computer is not responding but I know it works because I have a 96 dodge ram and it starts it right up. The truck ran fine and I was about to have it taken down to the trans shop for some work on the trans I went out to test the trans out it wouldn't start. The old computer that was in it stopped working and I pulled the one out of the 96 and put it in there and left it at the trans shop and they tried to work on it and got it back in the same shape as I dropped it off just with the 96s computer not working either. So I will only hook up the new computer for a test on the start when I get a idea of what it might be. I am getting 12V to the red and white wire on the computer and a ground on the black and white wire so I am lost.

I have checked all the fuses and they are all good. Nothing no spark and no fuel and no check engine light when I turn the key on.

I have always fixed my own cars and trucks so I know how to check all the simple stuff and I have done all of it even as far as changing out the O2 sensors and the map, crank, and cam sensors. Has new wiring harness but still nothing
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Saturday, February 21st, 2009 AT 3:59 PM

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Tiny
KEN L
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Hello,

Is looks like you are having a problem with the wiring for the ASD relay and its location. Here is wiring diagrams (below) and a guide to help you do some testing.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-an-electrical-relay-and-wiring-control-circuit

Please run some tests and get back to us so we can continue helping you.

Cheers, Ken
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Saturday, June 24th, 2017 AT 1:00 PM
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EEKD
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  • 1997 DODGE RAM
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  • 4WD
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  • 130,000 MILES
I started the truck and it ran fine as usually but after driving I parked it in the driveway, 5 minutes later upon trying to start it again I would not, it turns over and everything and upon further looking I realized I was not getting a spark, tried a new coil, distributor but im out of ideas. Im pretty sure it is a fuse or something due to how it just so spontaneously whent from fine to broken.
Advice is thremendously welcome. Sincerely, Derek
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:38 PM (Merged)
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Is the check engine light on? Try unplugging the cam sensor and see if it starts, if it does, it's a timming issue, could be the crank sensor connector came loose.
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:38 PM (Merged)
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EEKD
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Thanks, this does seem possible, because I can recall prior to this a few weeks before it failed it had stalled a few times at random on me when I would give it gas and then slow down and put it in reverse or watever, but I thought this was because I was getting unequal back pressure from the catty that went out on it and had replaced, but this would explain it, do u happen to know were it is located abouts on my truck though :-)
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:38 PM (Merged)
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MERLIN2021
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Camshaft sensor is in the distributor, carnk sensor is on the rear of the engine block.
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:38 PM (Merged)
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MERLIN2021
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Here are the no spark tests,


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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:38 PM (Merged)
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CQUAIN
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Truck started fine as usual in the am. After a few minutes of warming up the check engine light came on, didn't really think anything of it at the time(pulled the code after it was towed back home, it was a camshaft sensor bank a circuit malfunction code, the only one in the memory). After driving for 15 minutes to the store I parked it, I turned it off, and then was going to restart right away to pull it into the spot better, but it turned over but won't start. I Left it sit for an hour thinking maybe it was flooded, or something. But no difference. Checked for spark at this point and there wasn't any. Replaced the coil but still no starting. Tried several hours later still nothing.
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:38 PM (Merged)
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RASMATAZ
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No snapping blue spark continue to troubleshoot the ignition system-power input to the coil/coil packs, distributor pick-up coil, ignition control module, cam and crank sensors- Note: If it doesn't apply disregard it
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:38 PM (Merged)
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MUDDYWETONE
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Electrical problem
1997 Dodge Ram V8 Four Wheel Drive Automatic

truck got stuck in deep mud water wont start engine cranks good has full tank of gas it has no spark and no fuel coming out of injectors when trying to start whats wrong?
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:38 PM (Merged)
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CARADIODOC
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Suspect a problem with the crankshaft position sensor. Pulses from it tells the engine computer the engine is rotating. At that time, the computer turns on the Automatic Shutdown (ASD) relay which sends voltage to the coil(s), injector(s), fuel pump or pump relay, alternator field, and oxygen sensor heaters.

Also feel if the ASD relay clicks for two seconds when you turn the ignition switch on. If it doesn't, the terminals or coil inside could be corroded.

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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:38 PM (Merged)
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ASTAFFNE
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I was driving down the road and all the sudden the truck just shutdown tried to let it cool down to see if it would start back up but it wouldn't. I got toed home and spraied starting fluid in the trottle body and was acting like it was going to start so I went out and got a new fuel pump. After installing it the truck didn't want to start at all we found that there was no spark checked all fueses, relays, sensors and changed distributor cap and rotor, and pick up coil. I have also changed the coil still nothing. So then I went out and got a new computer for it and it still wont turn over I ended up even pulling out the remote starter. So what can I do now?
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:38 PM (Merged)
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Do you have a digital multi meter? I would like to check the cam position sensor. Is the check engine light on? Can you scan it if so? Get back to me and we will go from there.
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:38 PM (Merged)
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ASTAFFNE
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I just put in a new camshaft position sensor. There are no code but I tried scaning it anyways and it found nothing
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:39 PM (Merged)
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Ok then I would like to check the crank sensor too. Do you have a digital multi meter? I would like to make sure there is power to the coil and the cam sensor. Get back to me so we can try to figure out what happened. Ok so the scanner did link up with the trucks computer right?
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:39 PM (Merged)
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I have a muti meter and I have replaced the crank sensor as well. And there is power to the coil and I have replaced the coil too. And the scanner didn't link up to the truck
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:39 PM (Merged)
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Do you know if there is power to the cam and or crank sensor? You didn't mention replacing them in your first post. Is there anything else you replaced that may have been forgotten? We will also need to check the computer too.
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:39 PM (Merged)
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VISHOUSELECTRIC
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97 dodge ram 1500 5.9 4x4, no fuel, no spark, no communication, no check engine light
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:39 PM (Merged)
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ASTAFFNE
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When testing the sensors I have to have the key in the on postion right and I did get a new computer, and ADS relay
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:39 PM (Merged)
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Does anything work? Have you checked the wiring harness to the PCM?
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Monday, July 6th, 2020 AT 1:39 PM (Merged)
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ASTAFFNE
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And I forgot to say that I had to put 3 new grounds in that ran from the engine to the firewall because there wasn't any there. That was one of the first things I did
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