Cylinders 5, 7, 8 not firing, ignition coils good but no spark?

Tiny
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  • 1998 FORD EXPEDITION
  • 5.4L
  • V8
  • 4WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 230,000 MILES
Hi. This truck was running perfectly fine previously. It sat for about 1 year as it wasn't needed for that time. When I went to start it, it had a terrible misfire.

I have checked and can see 12V on the wires to the coils with the ignition on.

I isolated the misfires to 5, 7, and 8 -all but one cylinder along the right side of the engine. I have been able to run it while diagnosing by first disconnecting the fuel injector harnesses to try and minimize the amount of unburnt fuel. But to be clear, I disconnected fuel injectors while the engine was running and there was no change in engine speed.

I got an old school spark tester and put it in-between the COP pack and -well- I couldn't reliably get it on the plug, so I grounded the other end to a steel bracket on the engine. Started it up and definitely no spark. I only did this on CYL 5 but given the similarities I believe 7 and 8 are experiencing the exact same issue.

I swapped coil packs between cylinder 1 and 5. The coil pack from 5 worked perfectly on cylinder 1. The pack that was working on cylinder 1 is not working on cylinder 5.

I took a (cheapo) oscilloscope and back probed on cylinder 5 harness with it connected to the cylinder 5 coil pack. 12V at one side (engine running), and the other side showed activity but it was more like spasms than a "pulse" like you might expect. I looked at the same on cylinder 1 coil pack and got a fairly clear waveform more like you would expect to see.

But that's where I am now stuck. I don't have wiring diagrams or other information handy to know where the wires trace back through the loom. I don't know if there is any point in which the wires from the PCM to the coil packs for cylinders 5, 7, and 8 might be near one another or feed off a shared ground, etc. Is there a bulkhead connector I should check? Where is the PCM located and how is it removed?

I'm fairly handy with these kinds of things but I'm used to VWs, Hondas, and Toyotas more than this Ford.

Any help or suggestions you can offer are greatly appreciated. It's my mom's old truck and she wants to sell it since she hasn't been using it, but if I don't get this figured out or find someone who wants to take it on as a mechanic special, it's going to be recycled. Shame to do that since even the AC still works as well as the 4WD.
Saturday, January 28th, 2023 AT 11:43 AM

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Tiny
KEN L
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Yep, we should get it running so you can get top dollar for it, it sounds like the PCM has failed but I have found the wiring diagrams so you can check it out.

Here is a guide to help you check the wiring and connections:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

Here is how to change out the PCM in case you need it as well. BTW the PCM is plug and play, no programming is needed. Check out the images (below). Please let us know what you find. We are interested to see what it is.

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Sunday, January 29th, 2023 AT 1:05 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

The ignition coils receive power from the same location. However, each coil has a separate ground path provided by the PCM.

I attached the entire powertrain wiring schematic below for you. I highlighted the ground wires for the affected coils. Since the vehicle sat unused for a year, I have a feeling a mouse got at the wiring.

Take a look through the schematic and let me know if it helps.

Take care and let me know what you find,

Joe

See pics below. Note: The schematic is 4 pages long. I had to cut each page in half to make it readable for you. I did overlap them so you can follow from one to the next. With that in mind, in order, every two pics below equals one page from the manual.
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Sunday, January 29th, 2023 AT 1:25 PM

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