Engine not cranking over?

Tiny
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Hi aquastell. Welcome to the forum. I think you're getting "wrapped around the axle" and way over-thinking this. Your dandy description of the symptoms is exactly what happens when you have a dirty or loose battery cable connection. Due to the high resistance causing the low voltage, computers on the truck will do weird things such as that horn chirp you heard. Common sense says a computer is not needed to honk a horn, after all, we had horns for decades without computers, but common sense doesn't prevail anymore on newer vehicles.

Since this problem is acting up regularly for you, that will make it easier to find. A cheap digital voltmeter can be used but in this case, a test light would be faster. The only thing that can't be checked on GM vehicles is the battery connections because of their side post terminals. Start with the test light connected to the two battery cables. If the test light is dim there, the cable connections must be cleaned and tightened, or the battery has a bad connection internally and must be replaced.

If the test light is nice and bright, move the probe or clip lead from the negative post to the engine block. Also move it to the body sheet metal. There will be a smaller wire attached to the fender that comes from the battery negative post. The light must be bright at both of those places. The wire to the fender is the return for all of the lights, the horn, the starter relay, etc. It is a common source of a bad connection, especially if the inner fender is getting rusty. Next move the probe or clip lead from the positive post to whatever the cable goes to. On older vehicles, that was the starter. Its terminal was used as a convenient tie point for other wires to branch off from. On newer vehicles, look for an underhood fuse box with a smaller cable going to it from the positive battery post. Move your probe to the connection on that box. You're looking for the point at which the test light becomes as dim as the other lights on the truck. When you find that point, that's where to look for the loose or corroded connection.

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Thursday, September 3rd, 2020 AT 5:15 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Ok I will check for a corroded or loose battery cable, and try to follow the rest of what you said. I don't have a test light, but I do have a digital voltmeter.

Last night after all that happened, I went to bed, got up this morning and went out to see if it would magickally start. Opened the truck door and the horn honk-honk-honked. Put the key in the ignition and all of the lights lit up. HARD CRANKING, but started. It is running now. I am afraid to shut it off lol.

This is not something that happens "regularly". I only had one other time when the truck wouldn't start, and I think it was not all the way in Park that time. There seems to be a lot of anomalies about what is going on with it right now, but this is not a "regular problem".

Also, my truck does not have side post connections on the battery.
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Thursday, September 3rd, 2020 AT 5:15 PM (Merged)
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Dandy. Your truck had side post terminals originally, but the top post design makes it easier to test. Look at every mechanical connection to be sure they're clean and tight. You can use your voltmeter to measure across each connection. Start with the negative side. Turn the headlights on. When the problem acts up, put one meter probe on the battery post and the other probe on the cable clamp. You should read 0 volts. There will always be a very tiny voltage drop, but the closer to 0 volts, the better. Measure across each connection that way on the negative and positive circuits. One of them is going to have a very high voltage reading. That's the source of your problem.

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Thursday, September 3rd, 2020 AT 5:15 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Well I am thinking to just take a day, whether it is acting up or not, and test and clean every connection I can find. It will help me learn my truck better. It's an old truck, but I haven't had it very long. I like tinkering with it. Just wish I had a garage. I had 12.74 on the static battery test, and then when I tested the voltage on that connection to the sidewall fender from the negative, it was fluctuating. So I tightened it as best I could, until I had a solid 12.74 there too. But had to go get the right wrench to do it properly. No more problems so far. But now that I have the right wrench, I'm going to take it off and clean it up and put it back on. Also not too happy with the looks of the positive lead that runs to the fuse box under the hood.
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Thursday, September 3rd, 2020 AT 5:15 PM (Merged)
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Just replaced the alternator on my 96 Silverado 5.7 liter. The alternator tested bad when I took it off and had it tested. The battery checks out good. When trying to start I get a single click and it won't start. Problem has been intermittent but now it won't start even after sitting for a long time. Most people now think I have a bad starter. How tough is it to change out the starter? Where is it located? This is a 4x4 Silverado. I am fairly handy with tools but wondering if this is a task that I should take on or bite the bullet and have it done by a pro.
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Friday, February 5th, 2021 AT 8:41 AM (Merged)
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Before changing out the starter, I would check at the starter solenoid to be sure you are getting a full 12 volts to the solenoid control terminals. You can do this with a volt-ohm meter or a 12 volt test light (purchase at auto parts house). First step is to find the starter. The solenoid is usually mounted on the starter and looks like a small cylinder shaped object. The solenoid usually has three wires, one big one (connects to the + side of the battery) and two small wires. You want to check the small wires (put your tester on the big wire to see what 12 volts does to the meter or light as a reference). Next have someone turn and hold the ignition switch to start (be sure vehicle is in neutral or park). Put the testor on one of the small wire terminals and then on the other. You are looking for a 12 volt indication on one of the terminals (the positive terminal of the solenoid if you can identify it). If you are getting 12 volts to the solenoid (small terminal) and you are not hearing a click, then you probably have a bad solenoid and should replace the whole starter assembly. If you are not getting 12 volts to the small terminal of the solenoid, then you probably have an intermittent ignition switch or starter relay.
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