Inconsistent curb idle and low power at RPMs

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I'LL EXPLAIN ACQUIRING THE CARB AT A LOWER COST THIS EVENING....I'M A SLOW HUNT AND PECKER, MUST GO TO WORK SOON!

THE HOOD LABEL WORKED FINE......WHEN EVERYTHING WAS AT TIP-TOP PERFORMANCE/ AND WAS HOOKED UP/ COMPUTER DOIN' IT'S THANG....YOU KNOW, DURING THE CHILDHOOD DAYS OF YOUR JEEP!

YOUR JEEP IS NOW SLOWLY GROWING INTO A 1979 MODEL----MECHANICALLY THE ENGINE'S INTERNALS ARE DESIGNED THE SAME/ ARE THE SAME FROM 1976-1986....WITHOUT THE COMPUTER INTERFERING, TIMING IS TIMING!!!

QUESTION? GO TO ADVANCE AUTO OR AUTOZONE, LOOK UP THE DISTRIBUTOR FOR A '79 AND '85 258 (MOTORCRAFT, OEM) THE PART NUMBERS ARE THE SAME!

'76-'78 AND SOME BEFORE, USED A CRAPPY PRESTOLITE IGNITION....THE TIMING WAS CLOSE TO THE SAME (BEFORE THEY GOT SMART IN'79) THE ONLY MAJOR DIFFERENCES OVER THE YEARS WAS THE CARBS SIZES/ INTAKE (1 BBL THEN 2BBL)----AND THE STUPID PLASTIC VALVE COVER IN THE LATTER YEARS......AND OF COURSE THE STUPID COMPUTER!

IF YOU GET TIME, CHECK OUT THE LINKS IN "JUNE 5TH"---THIS POST

http://www.2carpros.com/questions/1982-jeep-cj7-ignition-problem-spark-distributor-cap

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Thursday, June 21st, 2012 AT 1:51 PM
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Watched your videos. Reminded me of stuff I watched in high school to first figure out what's actually happening under the hood. The advance videos where very helpful. I have a much better understanding of what's going on down there.

I completely forgot to tell you, but I have a Carter BBD from a 79' or earlier! The guy I bought the jeep from threw in the old carb and the intakes/exhaust (one of the exhaust ports is busted). Pics below. Granted, it probably needs to be rebuilt too, and of course, there's no warranty. But we might as well give that a shot before buying a third one. Also rebuilding carbs is kind of like playing with legos for me. I love it. Practice makes perfect.

About to plug vacuum lines and such to see how she does. Also, I was messing around with the headlight switch. The inside of the adapter that clips to the switch was melted out pretty bad. The line to the headlights was rubbing against the dome lights/ground and shorting out. Burned up the whole thing. I wrapped the headlight wire with fancy stretchy electrical tape, no more short, plugged in the switch, but still no good. The lead on the switch that clips to the headlight wire is black and loose. Trying to do a continuity test. Where's a good ground under the dashboard?
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Thursday, June 21st, 2012 AT 4:25 PM
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Update. Followed your instructions. All vacuum lines removed except to the PCV and vacuum advance. I removed a decent amount of the hoses but not all of them. Set the idle at 680 and timed it to 9* advanced. Runs great. Wonderful power at all RPMs. However, when I pull to a stop, the idle will still shift up. At first it settles to 680 and then bumps up around 900. Better than before, but still not ideal. Are there more emissions control stuff I should remove? See pics.

1st pic - Vacuum lines on top of valve cover. Remove?
2nd pic - Vacuum lines on air filter cover. Remove?
3rd pic - Vacuum line goes from here directly to advance on distributor.
4th pic - Big vacuum thingy on passenger side firewall. Remove?
5th pic - More vacuum lines. This ones connected to a diaphragm at the intake manifold. I think you said you cut yours off and welded it, right? I don't have those capabilities but at least I can plug this line.
6th pic - EGR valve with two of the vacuum ports plugged (it was a line that went into the left side of the carb if you're looking from the front of the jeep to the back). Remove the valve and/or hoses?

Heard about rewiring distributor directly to ignition module instead of through whatever's hanging off the catalytic converter.

Ready to check the mechanical and vacuum advance when you are, sir. Thanks a ton.
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Thursday, June 21st, 2012 AT 6:11 PM
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You probably want to see the pics I'm talking about.
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Thursday, June 21st, 2012 AT 6:16 PM
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CJ PASSENGER MIRROR

MORE FORWARD AND UP TO BE SEEN THRU THE WINDSHIELD (MINE IS FULLY CONVEX FOR A BETTER VIEW)

THE DRIVER'S MIRROR SORTA 45s OUT, TO BE SEEN THRU THE DRIVER'S DOOR

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Thursday, June 21st, 2012 AT 11:57 PM
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IF YOU DON'T HAVE A MECHANICAL "STICKAGE" LIKE THE THROTTLE SHAFT, OR OTHER BINDING LINKAGES, DO THIS:

THIS IS EZily REVERSIBLE

TRY THIS IN PIC BELOW, RE-TWEAK YOUR MIX AND IDLE SCREWS

SEE IF THE THE HIGH IDLE CEASES

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Friday, June 22nd, 2012 AT 1:08 AM
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VACUUM GAUGE USE---WHEN YOU GET IN THIS POST, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE 1ST LINK WITHIN IT, YOU WILL SEE THE VACUUM GAUGE SCENARIOS (ENGINE CONDITION WITHOUT TEARING INTO IT!)

http://www.2carpros.com/questions/2010-all-other-cars-how-to-change-gears-for-fuel

DID YOU GET MY ALBUMS?

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Friday, June 22nd, 2012 AT 3:36 AM
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Got the albums. I get bored/tired sitting at a computer all day at work, so it'll be nice to flip through the pics. I'll make the gasket and tweak the screws tomorrow after work hopefully.

While I had the steering column dismantled (by the way, couldn't find the right screw at walmart. I'll go to a legit hardware store tomorrow), I figured I'd get down to the bottom of why the horn wasn't working either. I shorted the horn circuit with a screw driver and, sure enough, horn works great. Something in the push button isn't working right. I think I'm missing a cylindrical connecter that fits into a piece of white plastic that sits beneath the lockplate.

1st pic - steering wheel with plastic adapter behind it (missing wire)
2nd pic - plastic adapter. Again, no wire.

Know what that little connector wire looks like? Think I could fab one? Maybe just a skinny screw or bolt with a nut to hold the spring down?

I'll keep you posted about the idle. No stickage in the throttle by the way.

And like the teeth under your CJ's hood. Nice touch.
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Friday, June 22nd, 2012 AT 4:20 AM
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JUICE

I'LL GET TO THE TORX REMOVAL SOON WITH PICS----YOUR JEEP IS MADE OF THEM

MINE USED TO BE---NOW ALL ARE HEX HEADS--MANY ARE STAINLESS

LOOK AT MY DASH BOLTS. NO MORE TORX

IN 2WD. HUBS UNLOCKEDAT THE KNUCKLE--THE AXLES ON BOTH SIDES SHOULD TURN FREE. UNLESS THEY ARE LOCKED IN DUE TO A HUB MALFUNCTION

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Friday, June 22nd, 2012 AT 4:41 AM
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I WAS SAVING THIS FOR LATER

WITH THIS "POWER" YOU MAY NOT NEED ME ANYMORE :-(

PLUG IN YOUR INFO---ONLINE REPAIR MANUAL

THESE ARE "SCANS" OF THE ACTUAL FACTORY MANUALS----I HAVE THE '79 AMC JEEP PAPER MANUAL, IT WAS IN MY '79 CJ (LEFT BY MISTAKE, UNDER REAR SEAT) WHEN IT BOUGHT IT AT THE DEALER IN '83

YOU MAY FIND DIFFERENT PICS/ DIAGRAMS IN DIFFERENT YEARS FOR THE HORN

CJ HORN STUFF REMAINED THE SAME '76-'86

BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU READ THE STUFF, INSURE YOU ARE READING "CJ".J-10 TRUCK/ WAGONEER/ CHEROKEE ARE INCLUDED IN THE MANUALS, AND ARE SORTA INTEGRATED AT EACH SYSTEM

THE MORRIS 4X4 SITE MAY HAVE YOU PARTS---AGAIN, LET'S TALK, BEFORE YOU ORDER OR BUY PARTS FROM ANYWHERE. YOU MAY CAN GET 'EM CHEAPER!

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Friday, June 22nd, 2012 AT 4:55 AM
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Well, after three trips to the hardware store, I finally found a screw that fit my turn signal lever and my blinkers are working great. So are hazards. And so are headlights. Haven't pulled up the dimmer switch yet, but I will soon. These summer showers really ruin my afternoon repair time. Still having a little trouble making the horn cooperate but I think after I clean the diaphragm it'll be working like a charm.

So the home made gasket idea - the stepper motor has two prongs that stick out and go through the holes in the gasket (see pic, part 32A). I might be able to yank them out or maybe figure out a way to dismantle the motor and remove them. Anyway, I'll pull the motor off as soon as the rain stops.
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Friday, June 22nd, 2012 AT 10:26 PM
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WHAT ABOUT A HARD PIECE OF PLASTIC OR ALUMINUM WITH HOLES DRILLED IT. SORTA MAKING A PLATE TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE MOTOR.

THIS MIGHT JUST BE TEMPORARY, JUST TO SEE IF THE IDLE STILL FLUCTUATES. IF THINGS GO WORSE, PUT THE MOTOR BACK IN. THIS IS JUST AS EXPERIMENTAL TO ME AS IT IS YOU.

I'M STILL A FAN OF THE OLDER CARB. BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR SITUATION FULLY, KEEPING COST DOWN

YOU SURE ARE AGGRESSIVE WITH THIS THING!

I'M HERE WHEN YOU NEED ME, OR WANNA UPDATE US!

ALBUMS?

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Friday, June 22nd, 2012 AT 11:51 PM
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OK here's the update.

Lights work. Blinkers work. Horn works. All I had to do was sand off the diaphragm that you compress to make the electrical contacts and stick a little bolt into the plastic hole in above pictures to finish the connection. Doesn't work perfectly, but works well enough. I think I'll pass the safety inspection now!

So the stepper motor. I removed those two pins that slide into the carb. It was really easy. All you have to do is just slide them off the edges of the motor plate. The mixture is a little messed up though now. I pulled the mixture screws to about 5 turns out to even get a decent idle. The power of the engine while driving was a little low, but it was ok. Was able to get the idle nice and low and NO CHANGE! IT'S A MIRACLE! MY IDLE STAYS THE SAME!

So on my way home after the bar tonight (of course I drove my CJ), the power was great! But the idle was high. It didn't bump around like it used too, but it was high. My dadgum carburetor won't stay the same. I'm going to rebuild the old '79 carb I have on me and see how that works. Also I want to convert the choke to manual instead of electric. Is that an easy job? Do they have the parts for that at Advance?

To do list: change universal joint on rear drive shaft. Change ALL fluids. Replace rusted studs on wheels and get an alignment/balance. If I get all that done by July 4th I can drive her out to the mountains for family time (200 miles away). Ready? GO!
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Sunday, June 24th, 2012 AT 3:53 AM
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Also I loved the albums Medic. Really enjoyed the one about your Willys rebuild. That was quite a project! Gives me some motivation for mine. Even though it's no where near as difficult.
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Sunday, June 24th, 2012 AT 3:55 AM
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She's running like a charm! Well. Like a well aged kind of disgruntled charm, but a charm non the less.

Here's what I think is happening. If I let her sit for 3 or 4 hours before starting her up, she does great right at start. One or two pumps of the pedal while turning the ignition and she fires right up at a nice fast idle. However, it takes a solid 7-10 minutes for the electronic choke to finally pull the plate open. Once it's open, she runs great. Solid idle at 680. Plenty of power throughout all RPMs. Now let's say she's only been sitting for about 40-60 minutes since I last drove her. The choke stays wide open and doesn't do a thing. For the first three or four minutes, she runs terribly! Won't idle. Terrible engine power. Finally, she'll warm up and do great after a couple of minutes though.

The moral of the story, I need a manual choke. Have you done the conversion, medic? Does it cost much money? Other than the choke issue, though, she runs wonderfully. Even got her up to 65 mph without a hitch (that might be slow, but baby steps for us).

Before I switch the choke out though, I need to replace that universal joint on the rear drive shaft. Do you have pictures? Other links? Feel free to drop a line tomorrow afternoon.
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Monday, June 25th, 2012 AT 5:04 AM
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Just saw the manual choke installation album. I'll take a look at that tomorrow. Thanks.
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Monday, June 25th, 2012 AT 5:16 AM
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READ THE WHOLE POST IF YOU LIKE

"U-JOINTS" IS IN MY 2ND RESPONSE ON JANUARY 29TH 2012

http://www.2carpros.com/questions/2001-ford-explorer-car-shakes

I HAVE OTHER ANSWERS ELSEWHERE, LIKE THIS, I JUST COULDN'T FIND EM FAST

LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS

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Monday, June 25th, 2012 AT 2:18 PM
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HERE'S ANOTHER

KEEP IN MIND, MY LINKS ARE NOT ALWAYS TO A CJ POST!

SEE JULY 22ND, 2011 IN THIS POST

http://www.2carpros.com/questions/1996-ford-ranger-96-weird-crackling-sound-30mph

I'LL TRY PHONE COMMO LATER IN THE AFTERNOON/ EVENING

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Monday, June 25th, 2012 AT 2:41 PM
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Never mind. I don't think it's the U-joints. I crawled under my CJ and had a good look around. The U-joints are tight. Rock solid and no play. Also I was able to rotate the front drive shaft freely with hubs unlocked and the transfer case in 2H. Not much resistance either.

Found a few things while I was snooping around down there. Pic one shows the front side of the clutch housing. It's open! Is this supposed to be open like this? I know a clutch is a friction-based mechanism so you probably don't ever want to lube it. But just making sure this is right. Took pics of the bottoms of the rear diff and the tranny (2nd and 3rd pic). Pretty wet and shiny, like maybe it's been slowly leaking.

Again, I put the transfer case in neutral and cold shifted through the four gears. No whining. Think the bearings are going bad in the differential? Maybe something grinding in the transfer case? What should I do next to investigate the whining?

Also something down there is definitely leaking fuel. It smelled STRONGLY of gas. What should I do to go hunting for a gas leak. I remember reading something about soapy water?

Gonna put in a half day of work. Feel free to call anytime after five.
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Monday, June 25th, 2012 AT 4:43 PM
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PS - the pics are upside down for some reason.
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Monday, June 25th, 2012 AT 7:08 PM

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