Weird noise after timing belt replacement

Tiny
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I got the timing belt done at the dealer about 2 weeks ago and the engine has been fine until today. When the engine is idling, I notice a noise coming from the passenger side of the engine, same side as the timing belt.

I opened the hood, and it sounds like something is vibrating or wiggling, but I'm not sure.

Considering I just had the timing belt done and now hearing a noise, what could it be? Could something has worked loose over the last 2 weeks? I turned the engine off, and the top pulley seems right, it doesn't wiggle, so maybe it's something else?
Tuesday, March 29th, 2022 AT 11:39 AM

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Hi,

Certainly, something could have come loose or failed. There is actually a timing belt tensioner under the cover. It may have failed or started to fail allowing slack in the belt.

This tensioner is an automatic tensioner, so it would need to be replaced and not physically adjusted. I attached a pic below so you can see what it looks like.

Here is my biggest concern. If in fact the belt is becoming loose or something is failing, it can cause major internal engine damage if the belt jumps timing, breaks, or falls off. This is an interference engine and if the timing is off, there isn't enough clearance between the tops of the pistons and the valves in the open position. If it fails, usually the result is bent valves and cylinder head and or piston damage. Because of that, I would recommend taking it back and having it checked.

Let me know if this helps, what I can do to help, or if you have other questions.

Take care,

Joe
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Tuesday, March 29th, 2022 AT 8:15 PM
Tiny
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I drove it again today and didn't notice the noise upon first startup, but I did notice it after driving for a bit then stopping and opening the hood. So, the noise only happens after warmup it seems.
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Wednesday, March 30th, 2022 AT 4:01 AM
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When I got home today my neighbor brought over his stethoscope and the noise is definitely coming from under the timing belt cover. I've made an appointment back at the dealer to have it checked. It's a bummer if they take it all apart and it's not something they did, then I got to pay the labor for disassembly and diagnostics.
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Wednesday, March 30th, 2022 AT 1:22 PM
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Hi,

If that is where the noise is coming from, something needs attention. We have two ways to attack this. First, have them listen to confirm that is where the noise is coming from before taking things apart.

Or I attached a pic below. It shows the two upper timing belt covers and the bolts holding them in place. You could remove those and check belt tension by hand and with a flashlight, look down into the bottom cover to see if anything appears loose or damaged.

This should be all that is required of them to do for confirmation. You will likely need to remove the serpentine belt and a few covers, but it really isn't that difficult to do.

Let me know if you have questions or if I can help in any way.

Take care,

Joe

See pic below.
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Wednesday, March 30th, 2022 AT 8:04 PM
Tiny
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Dealer took the cover off and the timing belt and tensioner are fine. They said it's the serpentine belt tensioner making noise. That wasn't part of the timing belt package (but the actual serpentine belt was). How difficult is it to replace the tensioner myself?
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Wednesday, April 6th, 2022 AT 10:09 AM
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Hi,

It's interesting that it didn't start until after the work was done.

Regardless, the worst part of replacing this is room to work. You will need to remove the belt and then the plastic splash shield under the front. It is held in by several different plastic clips.

If you look below, I included a pic of the tensioner (pic 1) showing which way to move the tensioner to loosen the belt. Remove the belt first. Next, pics 2 and 3 explain how to remove the splash panel. If you find access without removing the entire thing, that is fine.

The last pic shows the tensioner and directions. There are two bolts that need to be removed for the removal of the tensioner. The installation is the opposite of removal.

Let me know if this helps or if you have other questions.

Take care,

Joe

See pics below.
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Wednesday, April 6th, 2022 AT 5:11 PM
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Yeah, it is kind of fishy, but it did wait nearly 3 weeks before showing issue so maybe it was happenstance? I did go out today and physically try to wiggle the serpentine tensioner and the topmost pulley on the tensioner did make a single "click" sound when I wiggled it up and down. So maybe that is indeed the problem?
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Wednesday, April 6th, 2022 AT 5:18 PM
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The tensioner serves two functions. First, it keeps the belt tight to prevent slipping. Second, it houses (in this case) two pullies that the belt rides on. Each one of the pullies has a bearing that can fail.

If the belt seems tight, it may just require one or both of the pullies to be replaced. The only way to check is to remove the belt. Once it is off, spin the pullies to see if they make noise and wiggle them side to side and up and down to check for play.

If you could record the sound and upload it for me to hear, I should be able to direct you better.

Let me know.

Joe
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Wednesday, April 6th, 2022 AT 5:45 PM
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You have to listen very carefully it's almost inaudible over the engine itself, but it's there.
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Friday, April 8th, 2022 AT 4:10 AM
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Hi,

I hear something but as you said, it's hard to notice. If it was my vehicle, I think I would drive it like that because nothing sounds like it is ready to fail. Once it gets a little louder, then you can pinpoint exactly where the sound is coming from.

If you would feel more comfortable checking, then I would suggest removing the belt and spinning one pulley at a time to see if you hear the sound.

Let me know what you find or if I can help in any way.

Take care,

Joe
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Friday, April 8th, 2022 AT 5:51 PM
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I'm thinking that as well. Most times I've heard a tensioner go bad it squeals really bad, so I'll just drive until I hear more noise. Worse case if it does fail I'll just lose power steering and alternator and need a tow back home for repair.
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Saturday, April 9th, 2022 AT 5:36 AM
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Hi,

If the tensioner would lose its strength, you are correct. The belt will likely start to squeal. If it is one of the bearings failing, it will just get louder until it ultimately locks up, but you will likely hear that happening long before total failure.

If possible, let me know how it is after a week or two. If it does get louder, upload a recording so I can hear it.

Take care of yourself and let me know if I can help in any way.

Joe
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Saturday, April 9th, 2022 AT 8:14 PM
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Okay, now today I've noticed a loud chattering coming from under the hood when the A/C is on. If I turn it away, the chattering stops. Could this be related to the tensioner or something else?
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Friday, May 6th, 2022 AT 9:21 AM
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Hi,

If it is the tensioner, you should be able to tell in one of two ways. With the engine off, grab the belt and see if it has any play. It should be tight. Or open the hood and turn on the engine and A/C. Use a flashlight to see if the tensioner is jumping around which would indicate it is likely bad.

If you can, record it and upload it for me to hear. Hopefully, I recognize the sound,

Let me know.

Take care,

Joe
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Friday, May 6th, 2022 AT 7:47 PM
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I noticed when I was in the drive thru with the window down, but once I got to where I was going and opened the hood, the noise was gone (except for the original sound I started the thread for). If I hear it again, I'll try to record it.
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Friday, May 6th, 2022 AT 7:49 PM
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Hi,

Sounds good. If it happens again, try to inspect the tensioner before turning it off.

Let me know what I can do to help.

Take care,

joe
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Friday, May 6th, 2022 AT 8:54 PM
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Okay, my neighbor came over and we looked everything over. Belt tension is good, no clicking or movement in the belt. We've narrowed the noise down to the motor mount. I put it in drive and reverse with foot on brake, and when I hit the gas, he saw the mount move and we heard the chattering sound a bit. So, I guess the motor mount is on its way out the door.
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Monday, May 9th, 2022 AT 7:18 AM
Tiny
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I went back and checked through the maintenance records, that same motor mount was just replaced around 40,000 miles ago at the dealer. I wonder why it would break so quickly, unless they messed it up somehow when they changed the timing belt?
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Monday, May 9th, 2022 AT 12:17 PM
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Hi,

In most cases, a motor mount will last the life of the vehicle. Which one moved? How far did it move? Does it move in drive and reverse?

Here is a link that explains in general how one is replaced. Take a look through it and let me know if it helps.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/replace-motor-mounts

Take care,

Joe
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Monday, May 9th, 2022 AT 6:22 PM
Tiny
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The passenger side motor mount is where we were looking since that's where the noise comes from. He said it shifted inside the mount in both forward and reverse when I pressed the gas and we heard the chatter when I pressed the gas as well.
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Monday, May 9th, 2022 AT 6:28 PM

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