Troubleshooting Air Conditioner Not Working

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Please use a test light and probe the single feed wire that goes to the compressor with the system on, it should light up, you will not be able to tell if the compressor is working by looking at it like the old days.
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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I tested the wire to compressor and it has power. Also, my OBD tool was able is able to transmit data from the compressor turns on and shuts off. It shows the unit go from 0% to 70% when it is powered on, including showing the voltages as I mentioned 12-13V.

This is what my compressor looks like. It's got a metal piece on the front, which seems to be a clutch (which is not engaging). The product info is DENSO ASSY 447220-8843. It seems to be for European c-class models.

What do you think, does this compressor have a clutch or not?
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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Nope, no clutch on that one buddy, Internal valve model. I think its time to check out the video because you will need to replace the compressor.
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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Ok, thanks for confirming that. I thought that hub-looking thing was a clutch this whole time. That helps a lot!

I'll definitely be studying the video. I'll replace the compressor and let you know the results afterwards. Hopefully this solves the problem!
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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How many ounces of oil come with the new Denso unit? And what kind of oil did you add to the new unit before installing.

So when you add the oil to the compressor, that means you won't add any additional oil when you recharge with 134a right? Because presumably, it should have the oil from the Denso unit + the 2 oz that you added.
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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The denso comes with oil, I like to give a little extra to make sure the system is well lubricated, like 1/2 once extra should do it. Let us know who it goes
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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Im still waiting on the part, should arrive by this weekend.
Do you know the size o-rings you needed for the hoses (the o-rings that you replaced)?
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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I dont know the size of the o ring, we have a universal kit and just matched them up :)
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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Not done anything w compressor, or touched drive belt or anything
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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Hey KEVINM01,

Yep just had this problem with the car I did the compressor on, the starter was bad, put I new one in and its being starting up ever since,. When it rains it pours buddy,

here is a guide to let you know what you are in for.

https://youtu.be/iySmMQM5OLE

different car but same operation

Let me know what you find

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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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Ok, I'll order the part. That means it's gonna be a while before I get to the compressor.
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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Okay let me know what happens
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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I did a preliminary check to try and locate the starter and see how I will access it once I get that part. It doesn't look so straightforward. I got under the vehicle to see it, and I couldn't see really even how to get it out.

Just take a look at these diagrams. How do you get to it? It looks like #37 and #17.
Let me know if you instructions or ideas on how to approach this. I think accessing the starter was easier on the Ford.
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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Upload the images please use the link right below the text box
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
Tiny
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Oh. So these were the images I was referring to. I realize that's probably not the M271 engine, but the layout is similar. I pulled that from a website that was written in Russian, so I don't really know what it says since I don't speak/read Russian.
Problem is, you don't really see what it looks like next to the bell housing from these pictures. I'll post some pictures from my car later on this week when I get a chance.
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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Okay sounds good, I know the starter is tough to get to as in almost everything in this car is rough. :) But if it was easy everyone could do it, not just the talented, so consider yourself one of the few that can work on cars.
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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Haha, I'll keep that in mind. Well I'm definitely trying to learn to become talented. Things are definitely challening on this car--intimidating but rewarding when you get it right.

So I've a snapped a couple photos to give you an idea what we're dealing with. The first two, are just to get you oriented. And then I took some close-ups so you can see how tight the space is.

If you look above where the hose are bolted to the bell housing, and above and adjacent to the steering coupler, you can see the starter. Then above and adjacent to that is the supercharger muffler and supercharger.

So the question is, how do you get it out?

What I know is, the intake muffler DEFINITELY has to come out, since it would not be possible to get the starter out even if you managed to miraculously unbolt it.

So how do you get the muffler out. Does the whole supercharger come out too?
Or is there a another way to squeeze out the starter?
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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Sorry the first two photos I posted, posted upside down for some reason, which is extra confusing. We're on the left-side/driver's side. So the top of the photo, is the bottom of the vehicle in those first two.
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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You don't need to remove the super charger but you do need to remove the steering column coupler I believe. To get the air filter muffler out you must remove the air cleaner housing along with the computer etc. The hardest part is to get the hose clamp undone to the muffler btw. You will need one of these tools.

http://www.amazon.com/OTC-4525-Cable-Type-Flexible-Pliers/dp/B000F5JM0O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464057468&sr=8-1&keywords=hose+clamp+tool

Let me know how it goes
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Thursday, August 27th, 2020 AT 6:23 PM
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I got the tool, but where is the clamp are you talking about? The starter is behind and below #100 in the picture.

http://www.mbpartsworld.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=1073214&ukey_product=7766625
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