Timing chain replacement

Tiny
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After getting OBD code P0016 on the car listed above I spent a few days erasing the code and driving the car. The car was running fine, but I was afraid of damage, so after checking a few things, I took the covers off to replace the timing chain and tensioners. Since I had no knowledge of this as it was the first time, I didn't bother to make any marks. The marks didn't line up so put the chain on the crank and the intake (diamond) and moved it to mark. Then I tried to do it to the exhaust (triangle) to shaft to try to get the mark lined at 2 o'clock but it wouldn't move clockwise so I stopped. Then I had a friend with knowledge come and help me, so he put the chain on, but the exhaust (diamond) would not move to 2 'oclock position. It is more 1 0'clock and the diamond is at 2 o'clock. So when we put the chain on, we had to pull the triangle to the right because the still position, the chain would not reach from the 5 o'clock to the triangle mark, which would be 1'oclock. So we put it on the marks after pushing it over. Anyways, after so many revolutions, the chain marks are all 3 a tooth behind the marks. Never match, chain and sprocket marks. We did a few more revolutions and still all 3 on the tooth before the mark. We tried quite a few times that he finally said, you are going to have to get someone with more knowledge than me. Any idea why that happens? Thanks. I don't know if you can tell on the picture but the one on the right is only at about 1 o'clock. They are just sitting in place and lightly bolted, not torqued and the chain is off btw.
Friday, December 17th, 2021 AT 5:55 PM

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Tiny
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Hello,

It is critical to do the chain in the correct order. This can help keep everything in place as even with a little variation you will end up with a misaligned chain.

I have attached the timing chain replacement guide below.
Look through this and go over these steps. It might even be helpful to start over.

Let me know if you have any questions.
Thank you.
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Friday, December 17th, 2021 AT 6:06 PM
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Thanks for the help, but it's not working. When I try to line up the marks of the chain with the exhaust sprocket(triangle) with the crank shaft, it's like the chain is too short between those two. I'm always a tooth short. |N order for the marks to match, the shaft is at about 11 o'clock and when I do the revolutions, it moves a tooth back in all 3 of them. Any idea why? You ever see anything like this? Thanks for any help.
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Saturday, December 18th, 2021 AT 4:23 PM
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You might have individually line up each sprocket to the spot and then try to run the timing chain.
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Saturday, December 18th, 2021 AT 8:39 PM
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I did that. In fact, I'm worried about timing it properly because when I took the chain out, not knowing what I was doing, I turned the sprocket with a ratchet, not sure how many turns. Do you think it has anything to do with it? I turned them individually and I might have done it 360 degrees or over. I can't remember. But either way, shouldn't the chain still match? I appreciate your help. Let me know if a picture or video would help you to better understand. Thanks
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Sunday, December 19th, 2021 AT 2:49 AM
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I made a video and put it on YouTube.
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Sunday, December 19th, 2021 AT 12:02 PM
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Good morning,

Are those yellow marks permanent or did you paint those marks?

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Monday, December 20th, 2021 AT 5:16 AM
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Yes, those marks on the chain are permanent. This is a new chain, and the old chain has the same marks. I don't know if you heard me on the video, but me not knowing anything at the time, when I opened the cover, I didn't rotate the crank to see how the time would wind up. I just took the chain out and moved the diamond to position. The Dymond must have been at probably 4 o'clock position because it hadn't finished the stroke, I guess. And I think I tried to move the triangle to position too but I got resistance from it, so I stopped at where the mark on the triangle is. I had a friend who is used to work on old cars. Came over and I told him what happened and with a wrench he moved the cam back probably 180. So, needless to say, those marks, diamond and triangle are facing the right way, but the problem is I don't know what stroke that is at. Correct? Because those engines are timed when they are built, you have to stay with their marks and only move the teeth you need to, correct? So I guess I wrecked it and there is no way of fixing it from scratch without taking the engine apart, is there? I'm asking. So, I don't know if I can't put the chain on those marks without the crank procket getting off the 12 o'clock position, as you see in the video. What do you think? Thanks for all your help.
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Monday, December 20th, 2021 AT 6:47 AM
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The marks on the chain are for the initial setting only. Rotating after installing, the marks will never line up again.

Set the marks on all 3 gears and set the tensioner.

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Monday, December 20th, 2021 AT 6:52 AM
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I can only get all 3 marks on the right if the crank shaft is at 11 o'clock. There is no way the chain reaches the dot on the crank shaft if it's in the 12 o'clock position. L wonder if it's because they are on different strokes, intake and exhaust cams? Thanks for putting up with a dumbo.
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Monday, December 20th, 2021 AT 8:33 AM
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The marks need to be set to where they belong. Then install the chain with the color links at the marks on the gears.

Move the crank back to where it should be.

If the links do not line up, make sure the chain is on correctly. The links can be off and if they are, move the chain around until the links line up.

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Monday, December 20th, 2021 AT 2:47 PM
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Okay.
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Tuesday, December 21st, 2021 AT 6:47 PM
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I will try, I just hope it doesn't smash all cylinders inside.
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Tuesday, December 21st, 2021 AT 6:48 PM
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Keep me updated and let me know what is going on.

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Wednesday, December 22nd, 2021 AT 3:20 AM
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I put the chain together and I put a wrench on each cam to hold them in the mark. However, the exhaust cam, I had another person pulling it hard while I put all the marks together because it pulls back so much really hard on me. Once I had it all centered out, put all the tensioners in and the chain guides, I released the intake cam side tensioner and when he stopped pulling the exhaust came out so the mark on the sprocket would be on its position, it had so much force clockwise that the chain at the crank moved a tooth up towards the cam. I'm starting to wonder if the cam is pushing on some valves and that's where the resistance is. What do you think? Also, I didn't have the specs for the bolts on the cam phasers and saw the guy on cloyes and he set his at 63 ft pounds and plus another 30 degrees, so I torqued mine the same torque. But I don't think GM's specs are that high. Do you know all the specs for all the bolts on the timing chain area for 2015 Chevrolet Malibu 2.5? I'm afraid I gave them too much torque on the cam phasers and the tensioners and guides. I see the diagram you put there, it says 18-foot pounds for the bolts on guides and tensioners. He says 89 inch pounds. Also, he says 37 pounds for the balance sprocket. Do you know the GM specs for all those please? Thanks.
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Saturday, December 25th, 2021 AT 4:14 PM
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Okay, I attached the torque specs for all the bolts on the engine.

Any bolt that requires an additional turn of degrees is called a TTY or torque to yield bolt. They are one-time use only and cannot be reused without the possibility of the bolt either breaking or coming loose.

Replace those bolts.

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Saturday, December 25th, 2021 AT 5:33 PM
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Thanks a lot for your help.
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Sunday, December 26th, 2021 AT 4:14 AM
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You are welcome.

Always glad to help.

Feel free to ask follow-up questions.

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Sunday, December 26th, 2021 AT 6:13 AM
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I really appreciate your help. You have stopped me from making huge mistakes. But now I still have the issue of the resistance from the triangle sprocket side. It's pulling everything back, that cam, which is exhaust i believe. I made a video so you can see what I mean. I appreciate any further input. Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuDceNgue1k
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Tuesday, December 28th, 2021 AT 7:15 PM
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The chain looks loose. Did you install the tensioner?

Remove the other 3 plugs and see if it turns free.

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Wednesday, December 29th, 2021 AT 3:28 AM
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That's the old chain on. The problem is that on the right side when I put the chain on the triangle and then down on the crank shaft position, I have to pull hard with a wrench on the cam. I had someone applying pressure clockwise on the cam, so I could put it in at the bottom. I had to tie it with a zip lock tie to hold it in place due to the amount of pressure back, as you can see it pulls the crankshaft out of 12 o'clock position. The chain does look loose, but I had the new chain on and it's real tight that the pressure makes it skip a tooth. I've tried everything and that cam pressure counterclockwise is always there. I'm not sure what 3 plugs you are talking about. Thanks for the help.
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Wednesday, December 29th, 2021 AT 3:46 AM

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