Temperature gauge goes to hot when transmission is in gear?

Tiny
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Everything works as it should until the car is actually driven. It can sit at idle for 30 minutes and temperature is normal. Put in gear and in 6 to 10 minutes at 45 MPH the temp gauge shoots up to hot. Pull over and put in park the temp comes down to a little above normal in only about 5 minutes or so. Warmed up and parked in the driveway in park and rev-ed to 2200 rpm for 5 minutes and the temp stays normal. With a laser temp gun when the gauge reads hot the water pump is around 171 to 181 Degrees F. The transmission cooler is 86 degrees and the radiator about the same. The Transmission oil pan is 130 I can find nothing on the engine that is over 180 degrees except the Exhaust manifold.
Wednesday, August 24th, 2022 AT 9:18 PM

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Tiny
KEN L
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I would start by checking the transmission fluid level.

This guide will help and I have included how to check the level in the diagrams below for your car:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-and-add-transmission-fluid

If the fluid level is okay, it sounds like you have a transmission fluid temperature sender that is not working correctly or the transmission is slipping, how does it feel when you drive it?

Here is how you check the fluid level in your car below. Let me know what you find.
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Thursday, August 25th, 2022 AT 1:19 PM
Tiny
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First let me ask does the temperature gauge do both Transmission Temp and Coolant Temp?
The diagram you have shown is nothing like where my transmission dipstick looks like. The Ford manual does not recommend owners fiddle with the fluid changes and adding fluid. That never scared me! Its under the battery box after removal of all the air intake components. I have checked the fluid level and it is nearly at the bottom of the "hash" marks. I'm guessing it is down 3/4's of a quart if the full hash mark section represents 1 quart. I am having difficulty obtaining the Motorcraft CVT fluid. Everyone is out it seems. I know Ford's CVT transmission is a chain type and not a belt so it could be fluid sensitive and will definitely need the Motorcraft brand. However, the transmission is quiet and functions through all the gear shifts as it should. Additionally, my laser temp sensor shows the oil pan temp to be at about 125 degrees while the vehicle temp gauge is just about pegged at hot. Understand my wife never continues to drive when the gauge climbs to hot. She pulls over every time and will continue till we figure out what's up. In most all my research on the web I cannot find if and where the coolant temperature sensor is. All I find is a Cylinder Temperature Sensor located behind and under the intake manifold. I'm not sure if I can tackle that job if it requires me removing the intake and other goodies that might be required. If it is removing a cover and unplug and unscrew, that I can do.
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Thursday, August 25th, 2022 AT 4:53 PM
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I don't think the engine temperature gauge is tied to the transmission, so basically you are saying the engine is overheating or running hot. Wait until the engine is cold and then check the coolant level and condition of the coolant. Also, when the engine is hot can you hear the radiator cooling fans come on and run? Has a cooling system service been done with the thermostat replacement recently? If you can't hear the fan running, I would check the #7 in the under-hood fuse panel, if blown replace the radiator fan motors.
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Friday, August 26th, 2022 AT 12:16 PM
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I'm not an ASE mechanic but have worked on my own vehicles for 50 years, from changing out a 300 ci. Short block to clutch work and brakes and suspension work but I'm not sure I am explaining my situation correctly.

The gauge is reading hot, sometimes completely in the red but there is no indication the motor is overheating. It seems strange that the coolant was not boiling and even more strange that the temperature would return to normal in less than 5 minutes sitting on the roadside in some cases in under a minute. I don't think an overheating engine block could possibly cool that fast. When this first occurred the first thing, I checked was the cooling fans and they were both working fine. I changed the thermostat in case it was functioning intermittently, but the situation remains the same. I used my laser temperature gun to check temperatures in several areas on and around the engine block, radiator, water pump, Thermostat cover, CVT transmission cooler, oil pan and Transmission oil pan. Nothing reads a temperature over 191 degrees.
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Saturday, August 27th, 2022 AT 8:18 AM
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Okay, so it sounds like the engine is not overheating but the gauge or the data is incorrect,

The ECT sensor is a thermistor device in which resistance changes with temperature. The electrical resistance of a thermistor decreases as the temperature increases, and the resistance increases as the temperature decreases. The varying resistance changes the voltage drop across the sensor terminals and provides electrical signals to the PCM corresponding to temperature.

Thermistor-type sensors are considered passive sensors. A passive sensor is connected to a voltage divider network so that varying the resistance of the passive sensor causes a variation in total current flow. Voltage that is dropped across a fixed resistor in a series with the sensor resistor determines the voltage signal at the PCM. This voltage signal is equal to the reference voltage minus the voltage drop across the fixed resistor.

The ECT measures the temperature of the engine coolant. The PCM uses the ECT input for fuel control and for cooling fan control. There are 3 types of ECT sensors, threaded, push-in, and twist-lock. The ECT sensor is located in an engine coolant passage.

I have also seen the SJB go bad and cause all kinds of weird issues as well, to check we need to do a CAN scan which is easy. you can get a CAN scanner from Amazon for about $30.00.

Here is a video to show you how:

https://youtu.be/u-4syLc-ifQ

Here is a scanner link:

https://amzn.to/3o41KcZ

Check out the diagrams (below). Please let us know what happens.
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Saturday, August 27th, 2022 AT 12:17 PM
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Okay, it's been a while since my last communication because I have been waiting for Transmission Fluid in the Mail. It arrived and I topped off the fluid. Additionally, I purchased a new Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor and installed it. However, the wires that connect to the sensor were in bad shape. (See the photo) I replaced the wires, plugs and all. Soldered to be sure of a good connection. Hoping this will solve my issue. I let the car warm up and test drove it. Once again at 35 to 40 the temperature rose to the hot line, and I pulled over and turned off the engine. I waited exactly 3 minutes and started the engine. The temperature gauge read normal put it in drive and in about a 3/4 of a mile the temperature again rose to the hot line. I waited 2 minutes this time and again the Temp was normal. I made it to my carport with the gauge at the hot line. I used my Infrared temperature gun on various engine parts Block, Heater Hoses, Water Pump, Intake Manifold Bolts and more and the hottest reading I got was 204 degrees. Most were 170 or below. So, what do you think is my next step? Would the Cylinder Temperature Sensor have anything to do with this issue?
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Saturday, September 10th, 2022 AT 6:41 PM
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Check for leaves or other things between the radiator and the A/C cooler. It happened to me, bought a car and it ran all right on local errands, the leaves keep the air from circulating down through the radiator causing it to run hot.
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Sunday, September 11th, 2022 AT 11:08 AM
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My car is not overheating. Only the temperature gauge reads hot.
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Sunday, September 11th, 2022 AT 11:17 AM
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I am responding to the first post. If I read it right the vehicle temp when ideling. The temp guage goes up when you use the car. To me it sounds like it is getting enough air while ideling and there is no strain on the engine. When you drive it there is more strain causing more heat. There are A couple things that causes out. Low air cooling it down, or a blockage in the circulation system, example partly closed thermast
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Sunday, September 11th, 2022 AT 3:18 PM
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Using an infrared thermometer, I checked every aspect of the cooling system including the radiator. While the temperature gauge was almost in the red. No reading was above 191 degrees. If you read all the posts, you can see I’m really at a loss. Even at the ECT sensor it was 179.
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Sunday, September 11th, 2022 AT 3:31 PM
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Using an infrared thermometer I checked every aspect of the cooling system including the radiator. While the temperature gauge was almost in the red. No reading was above 191 degrees. If you read all the posts you can see I’m really at a loss. Even at the ECT sensor it was 179
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Sunday, September 11th, 2022 AT 3:31 PM
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With all the temps reading normal with the infrared, what about the sending unit. Check to see if all the wires are not grounding out.
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Sunday, September 11th, 2022 AT 3:37 PM
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Did that yesterday. Check my other posts and you will see a picture of the wires. They were bad but it didn’t fix that gauge issue.
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Sunday, September 11th, 2022 AT 6:56 PM
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Looking at the picture and it looks like the red wire on the right is burnt in spots, check to see if any wire is grounding out. With no signs of the temp overheating. To me is a wire touching or the sending unit is going bad. Use your infrared and check the sending unit. Just had another thought, what about the serpintine belt could that be a little loose?
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Monday, September 12th, 2022 AT 10:08 AM
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One of the other things I failed to mention is that through all these issues there was never a check engine light and a code from the ECM. Still hasn't been one with continued use of the car. I found a website today that shows how to test the ECT sensor and another how to test the 5 volts from the ECM and the ground. I was able to test the sensor and it tested okay but my OBDII tester won't test Live voltage from the ECM.
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Saturday, September 17th, 2022 AT 5:51 PM
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If there is a short in the wires that go to the ECM, then why wouldn't the gauge either bury hot or not move at all when the car is started? It acts normally as the car warms up but then shoots up to hot running down the road.
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Saturday, September 17th, 2022 AT 6:10 PM
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What was the temperature at the water pump? I am looking at it as though I would look at my car if the water pump starts going bad that would explain the high temperature as the coolant is not circulating.
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Sunday, September 18th, 2022 AT 7:07 AM
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At the most 180's.
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Sunday, September 18th, 2022 AT 7:21 AM
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I was thinking it could be the CVT control module back feeding into the PCM, to check for sure let's unplug the module to see if it changes the gauge.
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Monday, September 19th, 2022 AT 4:58 PM
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Hello Ken, I have a couple of questions before I tackle your recommended test. Is it correct that I will need to remove the tire and the inner wheel well to access the CVT sensor plug? Will the transmission function if the CVT is unplugged?
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Wednesday, September 21st, 2022 AT 7:10 AM

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