No power going to front actuator

Tiny
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  • 2008 RAM 1500
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There are four wires and one wire has power all the time. And I can hear the transfer case one making noise. So any idea why there isn’t any power going to front actuator? I put a 6” lift in my truck and a 3” body lift too. So I don’t know if that would have anything to do with why no power going to other 3 wires. Help
Tuesday, September 3rd, 2019 AT 4:25 PM

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Tiny
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Hello,

There are fuses and the TIPM that control the 4WD system. can I ask if the problem happened directly after the lift? If so lets check the fuses and grounds. here are the transfer case and 4WD actuator wiring diagrams so you can see which fuses to check and how the system works. I have included the fuse location as well and TIPM replacement instructions which is easy because it self initializes.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

Check out the diagrams (below). Please let us know what you find. We are interested to see what it is.
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Wednesday, September 4th, 2019 AT 7:05 PM
Tiny
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Lol, that I am not sure one but I thought I checked four wheel drive after I did the lift and everything worked. And I checked all fuse like five times they all looked good. I was thinking maybe a ground wire too but where in the heck would it be. I know I got power to one wire but the other three nothing. And if you follow from actuator wire up to main harness up by fire wall and battery I check the voltage there and I still only have one wire with power all the time and not the other three. And if it was a ground where would it be at?
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Thursday, September 5th, 2019 AT 6:10 PM
Tiny
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Lets run the codes to see what comes up that should point us in the right direction. here is a guide:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/checking-a-service-engine-soon-or-check-engine-light-on-or-flashing

Please run down this guide and report back.
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Saturday, September 7th, 2019 AT 12:50 PM
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There is no check engine light that stays on. There is no power going to the front actuator, but I have power to one wire all the time. And it’s kind of weird because the wiring harness that goes from actuator up the the main harness I only get power out of one wire there too.
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Sunday, September 8th, 2019 AT 6:47 AM
Tiny
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This sounds like a typical TIPM that is out. All fuses are good? I would try the TIPM.
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Monday, September 9th, 2019 AT 10:55 AM
Tiny
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Yea, but that was replaced and I asked Dodge dealer if they program it and they told me yes if it wasn’t programmed that my truck wouldn’t be starting.
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Monday, September 9th, 2019 AT 2:55 PM
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With the key on can you check for power from 12 and 1 at the TIPM please let me know what you find. Check the wiring diagrams above.
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Tuesday, September 10th, 2019 AT 10:49 AM
Tiny
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What you mean power from 12 and 1? At the TIPM. If the TIPM wasn’t working would the transfer case motor be working? Because I can hear that one.
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Tuesday, September 10th, 2019 AT 5:05 PM
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Yes, power output at 12 and 1 at the TIPM. Can you please shoot a quick video with your phone so we can see what's going on?That would be great. You can upload it here with your response.
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Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 AT 10:07 AM
Tiny
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Yes I will when I get off work
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Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 AT 10:11 AM
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Sounds good.
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Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 AT 10:36 AM
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This wire harness goes up kind of battery and fire wall and there is no power except one wire. I can try and get better video tomorrow right now it’s storming out bad here.
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Wednesday, September 11th, 2019 AT 5:45 PM
Tiny
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Okay sure sounds like the TIPM is out.
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Thursday, September 12th, 2019 AT 10:09 AM
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But that a brand new one they just put in from dodge
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Thursday, September 12th, 2019 AT 2:45 PM
Tiny
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I just called our dumb Dodge dealer here that put the TIPM in and I asked them again if they program the TIPM and they said yes I told them that I replaced the actuator cause they told me it was bad and he asked me what kind I got I said I ordered it from 1a auto and he told me I need to get it from dodge so I told him it doesn’t makes a difference where I get it from there is no dam power going to the front actuator expect one wire. He told me I could have up to 50 - 100 in it if it’s not the TIPM but if it is then it’s covered cause my TIPM is covered up to two years he said he don’t think it’s the TIPM. I hate this dodge dealer here in Dubuque Iowa they are so rude.
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Thursday, September 12th, 2019 AT 3:14 PM
Tiny
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Got a question. Okay, so how would I know if my transfer case motor is bad if it’s bad does that give power up to front actuator or not and I can hear the transfer case motor work well I think it’s working cause it makes a noise but if the transfer case motor isn’t full functioning Would that mess with the power up front to actuator?
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Thursday, September 12th, 2019 AT 5:44 PM
Tiny
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Can you tell us what the vehicle is doing when you shift it into 4wd? Does the 4wd indicator in the dash continue to flash after you turn the knob or does it flash and then turn solid?
This may shed a little light on what the vehicle is seeing.

Here's how the system functions. The 4wd shift knob is hardwired to the cluster. When you change knob position, the cluster reads this change and sends a message over the vehicle network to the TIPM. Once the TIPM sees a command to shift from 2wd to 4wd, it first activates the shift motor on the transfer case which should engage the front drive shaft. Once the TIPM sees the mode change completed via the position sensor in the t-case shift motor, it then activates the Front Axle Disconnect(FAD) motor. If it never sees the mode change in the t-case, it's never going to actuate the FAD.

With the truck in 2wd, have someone slowly drive the truck forward so you can watch the front driveshaft. Make sure it's not moving in 2wd. Then have your helper shift to 4HI and see what the driveshaft does. It should start spinning at this point. If it doesn't, we need to start looking at the t-case shift motor or its wiring.

Let us know what you find!
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Sunday, September 15th, 2019 AT 7:28 PM
Tiny
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Masterwrench, I just posted a video for you.
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Monday, September 16th, 2019 AT 3:52 PM
Tiny
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When I lock the four wheel drive in the front drive shaft turns when lock in 4wd. And when not locked in it does not move.
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Monday, September 16th, 2019 AT 4:04 PM
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Those videos are perfect! Thanks for verifying that. When you have it shifted into 4 Hi, does it feel like it's in 4wd when making turns on dry pavement?
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Tuesday, September 17th, 2019 AT 5:09 AM

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