Turn signal, windshield washer and wipers not working and the car does not start

Tiny
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  • 2000 KIA SPORTAGE
  • 2.3L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 156,300 MILES
I have no turn signals, no windshield washer, no wipers and the car will not start. It will not even try and turn over. I think the horn might still work have not tested that, but I have no ignition. It is like my ignition switch is broke or something like that. I have been told that it could possibly be the clock-spring assembly, not sure. Need to have the question answered. Thank you.
Friday, April 6th, 2018 AT 10:16 AM

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Tiny
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From that description I would say you have a bad battery or battery cable. That would not be the clock spring. Start by testing the battery for voltage and check all the cables.
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Sunday, April 8th, 2018 AT 8:49 AM
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We had an electrical issue with the vehicle at 1 at the been one point we check the alternator it was putting out 14.9 volts the battery was charging all of the cables were connected properly. Kia repair said that just clock-spring assembly would cause that issue. Now with my battery and everything disconnected I tested it with my voltmeter I was at 9 something. It could be I do not know what else it could be electrical because all the cables and everything or tight the alternator is doing what it is supposed to be doing. Like I said mechanic for Kia told me that if the clock-spring assembly goes bad it will affect the functions in the ignition. I am going to go ahead and change that. I am going to change the ignition switch at the same time. Send me back any kind of rebuttal you know. Let me know if I am going in the right direction. I have got it torn apart. I am going to go ahead and change the clock-spring assembly.
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Sunday, April 8th, 2018 AT 1:43 PM
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Nine volts is far too low. It would cause all of your issues. The clock spring does not connect to many of those items so I do not know how it would cause this issue, but a drained battery sure would. I would try hooking up a known good battery first.
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Monday, April 9th, 2018 AT 12:25 AM
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Even with the battery that low and a car on the opposite side jumping it an F-150 big motor big battery even at nine volts I should still have corn turn signals power windows and turn signals. I did not have any of that I have lights but no turn signals nothing is controlled by the key and that is with a car jumping the battery off and when I charge my battery up it is still doing the same thing. Now when the car was running properly we checked all the cables all battery cables were tight we put a voltmeter on the alternator the alternator was pushing 14:9. It seems to be charging the only thing I could think of is either ignition switch or what Kia told me.
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Monday, April 9th, 2018 AT 4:36 AM
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So you have tried to hook other power to it and nothing works then as well. In that case I would look at the fuse links to be sure they are good, then the ignition switch. What country is this vehicle in? I am looking at schematics but only show a 2.0 not a 2.3?
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Monday, April 9th, 2018 AT 7:41 AM
Tiny
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Had already ordered the spring switch the clock spring assembly replaced that I still have nothing replaced every fuse under the hood except for my 80 amp main fuse I'll have to change that in the morning if that doesn't do the trick could it be either ignition switch or CPU ECU
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Wednesday, April 11th, 2018 AT 5:00 PM
Tiny
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In most vehicles you start at the battery, power gets split with one large cable to the starter, Another to the generator and one that feeds into the fuses. The ignition switch turns on the systems using the relays and computer modules. If it doesn't send the wake up voltage you end up with a "dead" vehicle. However what you need is the correct wiring diagram to see what powers and grounds will let you test to see where the actual problem is. That is why I asked about which country this is from/in. They built them for multiple countries and used different wiring depending on country/engine/options.
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Wednesday, April 11th, 2018 AT 6:56 PM
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This vehicle is in the United States
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Wednesday, April 11th, 2018 AT 7:28 PM
Tiny
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OK the first three are the power feeds into the vehicle. I would test that 80 amp AND be sure it is actually feeding power. If you look at the diagram the key switch does feed and control multiple items.
The next ones show the various fuses and what they feed. Going over them it shows that the items you don't have working are not all fed through the switch. Anything tagged as "hot at all times" should have power from the battery.

Another thing you could look at would be to connect a jumper cable from the ground on the battery to a good ground on the body. It's possible that the issue is on the ground side. Those normally connect battery negative to the engine chassis and body. If one failed it would act just like there was no power because the circuit is open.
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Wednesday, April 11th, 2018 AT 8:40 PM
Tiny
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Okay find electrical Grambling now I have a question about my automatic transmission before it warms up it takes forever for it to shift that last gear once the engine and the transmission gets warmed up it'll shift quicker first second and third are instant they're all good why is it taking so long to shift into 4th gear
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Tuesday, April 17th, 2018 AT 4:50 AM
Tiny
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That sounds like a typically worn automatic. The seals, pistons and bores get worn as do the clutches. All of it adds up to sluggish performance. You could look at the fluid to see if it's full and check the color and if it feels clean or gritty. I would suggest doing a fluid/filter change on it but if it's very worn it may actually make it worse.
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Tuesday, April 17th, 2018 AT 2:19 PM
Tiny
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Florida stroll and looks red like it's clean don't know how it feels but will look at it and get it in to get a filter and oil change to see if that helps was planning on doing that anyway I mean I bought it used and it is 18 years old
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Tuesday, April 17th, 2018 AT 3:46 PM

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