no crank, battery is good?

Hi,

I'm not sure I understand what exactly is happening and what has been done so far. As far as the ignition key cylinder is concerned, I believe the key needs to be in either the accessory or the on position for it to be removed. Is that what you have done?

Next, I need to see the plastic piece you are referring to. Could you take a couple of pictures and upload them for me to see? Also, let me know if it was a crank no start or if nothing was happening and what was checked as far as relays, fuses, the starter, and wiring.

Let me know.

Joe

Talking to the wife and she found the plastic piece in question and threw it in the car. one mystery solved. When trying to start the car I would not get anything, no clicking nothing.

It has been suggested that check ignition switch, it may be bad and preventing anything to be energized I managed to remove switch and now I'm going to attempt to remove lock cylinder.

how do I remove lock cylinder from this particular vehicle?

I have so many questions about this car. I managed to remove the lock cylinder but there is a little black box that has a ring on it that goes around the lock cylinder, it had to be taken out of the way so the cylinder would come out, are you familiar with it?

Hi,

Before removing anything, we need to check a few things. This vehicle does have a sentry key transponder. If you change everything, it will need reprogrammed to work.

Don't take things apart until we confirm where the problem is coming from. Is everything still together? If it is, we need to start at the starter motor. At the starter, there will be a heavy gauge red wire directly from the battery that has power all the time. There will also be a smaller gauge wire brown in color. It will not have power until the key is in the start position. I need you to check if the brown wire is getting power when a helper turns the key to the start position.

I attached the starter circuit schematic below so that you would have a reference. Also, make sure the highlighted fuse is good and has power to and from it. Here is a link you may find helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

If the fuse is good, locate the starter relay in the power distribution center under the hood and switch it with a different one having the same part number. See if that makes a difference.

One other thing, shift the transmission to neutral to see if the starter engages.

Try these things and let me know the results.

Take care,

Joe

See pics below.

Hey Joe. First thing this particular vehicle does not have the security system the VIN# 1B3EL46X25N509818 the car has been sitting since 2011 the wife hit a deer so I have been intermittently changing parts about 2wks. ago I drove it down the road and back ever since it has not started no horn,radio,dash lights,turn signals, windows work I’m afraid I’m ahead of you in respect of taking it apart I pulled the ignition switch & lock cylinder today BCM cost is higher than I so I’ll put it back together and let you know I should be able to do it fairly quickly I appreciate you getting back with me it means a lot. By the way, I have a service manual, but it doesn’t cover any of these problems. I will stay in touch and keep you updated. Thanks

When I pulled the lock cylinder I had to remove the collar that was on the lock cylinder there was a little black box with a plug on it removing that box I saw that little wire you spoke of getting all that out of my way it exposed the release pin so I could take the cylinder out. Is there any way to bench test the box and test the ignition switch?

Hi,

No problem. It sounds like you don't have any electrical components working. If that is the case, we need to check inside the fuse box to see if power is making it to the fuses. I attached the first set of fuses to get power. Using a test light, see if any have power.

Let me know.

Joe

See pic below.

The fuse box inside had very few with power the box under the hood had a bad relay and few fuses with power The suspension is the BCM to be honest I’m not proficient when it comes to electrical problems, but I do have the tools.

I reread what I wrote earlier let me clarify what I meant BCM is suspect. not suspension.

Hi,

If only a few fuses have power under the hood, it sounds like the power distribution center (PDC) is faulty. As far as the fuse box inside the vehicle is concerned, it receives power from the PDC.

Are the fuses I sent a picture of all without power? Keep in mind, the BCM (body control module) isn't responsible for power in the PDC. That comes right from the battery.

Let me know,

Joe

Hi Joe, I ordered a starter switch and as soon as I receive it, I will install it and get a diagram to you with the fuse that have power. The fuse box inside the car only had power on the20amp fuses the fuses are good but the7.5 and the majority of 10amp had no power With your help I Feel like it will be OK just give me a little time to get back where you can help my dumb...

Hi,

You certainly aren't dumb. LOL No problem whatsoever. I'll be here. I look forward to hearing from you.

Take care,

Joe

Thank you, Joe, have a good weekend.

hi Joe, just letting you know I haven't forgotten you. I'm waiting on the Ignition Switch plus I failed to let you know that couldn't use my scanner because there was no power at DLC I will get back to you when I have reassembled the steering column.

Hi,

No problem whatsoever but thank you for the update. I will watch for your replies. Also, let me know if you have power to the DLC when the column is reinstalled.

Take care,

Joe

Will do.

Hello Joe, got everything back together and I realized that from this point on I will do as instructed, after all, I came to you for help. The little black box on the right-hand side of the steering wheel is in fact Security device. So, what's next?

Hi,

You mentioned above that there is no power to the data link connector (DLC). Now that things are together, has that changed? Are we able to scan the computer at this point? Also, do we have power at the fuses you indicated didn't prior?

Don't laugh, but prior you mentioned your wife threw in a black box that was found. Is that from the security system?

Let me know.

joe

Currently no power @(DLC) since the new ignition switch was installed the chimes are working(the one that lets you know key is inserted) and dash lights. Fuses are dead, the majority of em, as far as that stick goes, I chalk it up to a bad joke on her part it's something that goes into a planter for plants.

I have to go into town tomorrow and buy a couple of "box" fuses a 40amp and 20amp then we'll be set.

Hi,

Let me know how things turn out. One way or another, we need to get it running. LOL

Take care,

Joe

Yes sir, thanks

Hey Joe, have you received my message about the starter relay? If you have, I’m not going to repeat it the auto parts store only had two relays. I got both of them one for the starter and one for the fuel pump.

Hi,

I didn't receive the message.

Let me know.

Joe

Okay, prior to getting help, I replaced the relays in fuse panel under the hood after receiving instructions to check starter relay, I found it had blown so I removed the relay for fuel pump and heard it "click" blow Went to th4e auto parts and bought the only two they had. But before I install the relay for starter, I'm hoping you will tell me what to do next. All fuses in the fuse box in the car are dead except three.

I checked fuses in the PDC and all good, but the starter relay was bad I changed it out and as soon as I installed it, it blew I heard it trip. As far as the fuses inside the car only Pwr door lock, Day time running lights, and Dash panel were the only fuses with power.

Okay, can I ask when you try to crank the engine over does the security light flash? If so, this is your problem, the security system is engaged. If not, are you getting a trigger 12-volt signal to the starter solenoid? (little wire)

Please go over this guide to see what I am talking about:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

and

this guide can help as well:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-reset-a-security-system

Please upload pictures or videos in your response of any problems so we can see what to help you with.

Hi Ken, just letting you know I received your message. I read the information on the Security system on the car. Let me check out the starter and I will get back to you. I appreciate it very much, thank you.

One more thing I forgot to mention, we have never had a key fob for that particular car.

Is the security light is not flashing when you crank the car over it should not be an issue. Let me know how it goes.

we do have power to the starter from the battery; to check the little wire do I need a relay in the starter relay position, in the PCM? Prior relays have been tripping. Ken, just to let you know this car has been sitting for a while. I managed to start it and turn it off, started again, drove it down the street and back, and it hasn't started since.

No sir, never had a light.

So, the engine is not cranking over, you must check for power at the small wire when in the crank position is sounds like the starter is bad. Please go over this video:

https://youtu.be/6YRW8fyNudY?si=NIHDaS_KxU3FwyhQ

Please go over this guide and get back to us.

The motor does not spin, if it doesn't spin it won't start. Starter is good, all fuses under the hood are and has juice however the fuse box inside car is dead fuses are good but no fire.

Okay, I don’t have power from the small wire.

I guess I have run the gamut. It’s not the starter prior to Joe trying to help me I have gotten so many suggestions from u-tube videos and they didn’t work out The BCM is located behind the glove box, it could be in the console. Well, I’m here to tell you it’s not in either place. Joe must have gotten tired of waiting on me to give him some information that he could work with while I was putting everything back together, so I appreciate the effort on your part. Thanks

It’s been a few days since I got any feedback from you and I was wondering if there is still a chance getting help from you?

Did you go over this guide?

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

What did you find? Is the trigger wire getting power?