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Tiny
MICHAEL F. SMITH
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  • 2005 DODGE STRATUS
  • 2.4L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
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  • 100,000 MILES
I have been dealing with this for a couple of months, I have removed the steering column covers don't have the correct wrench to remove ignition switch. I tried to remove the cylinder lock but when I push the release pin nothing is released. The cowling around the cylinder I think is the problem. You can imagine the components, and the screws in driver side floorboard today. I found a plastic piece about 5" in. Long It is suspect.
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Wednesday, September 18th, 2024 AT 7:27 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

I'm not sure I understand what exactly is happening and what has been done so far. As far as the ignition key cylinder is concerned, I believe the key needs to be in either the accessory or the on position for it to be removed. Is that what you have done?

Next, I need to see the plastic piece you are referring to. Could you take a couple of pictures and upload them for me to see? Also, let me know if it was a crank no start or if nothing was happening and what was checked as far as relays, fuses, the starter, and wiring.

Let me know.

Joe
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Wednesday, September 18th, 2024 AT 8:35 PM
Tiny
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Talking to the wife and she found the plastic piece in question and threw it in the car. One mystery solved. When trying to start the car I would not get anything, no clicking nothing.
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Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 7:51 AM
Tiny
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It has been suggested that check ignition switch, it may be bad and preventing anything to be energized I managed to remove switch and now I'm going to attempt to remove lock cylinder.
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Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 12:21 PM
Tiny
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How do I remove lock cylinder from this particular vehicle?
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Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 12:50 PM
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I have so many questions about this car. I managed to remove the lock cylinder but there is a little black box that has a ring on it that goes around the lock cylinder, it had to be taken out of the way so the cylinder would come out, are you familiar with it?
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Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 2:55 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

Before removing anything, we need to check a few things. This vehicle does have a sentry key transponder. If you change everything, it will need reprogrammed to work.

Don't take things apart until we confirm where the problem is coming from. Is everything still together? If it is, we need to start at the starter motor. At the starter, there will be a heavy gauge red wire directly from the battery that has power all the time. There will also be a smaller gauge wire brown in color. It will not have power until the key is in the start position. I need you to check if the brown wire is getting power when a helper turns the key to the start position.

I attached the starter circuit schematic below so that you would have a reference. Also, make sure the highlighted fuse is good and has power to and from it. Here is a link you may find helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

If the fuse is good, locate the starter relay in the power distribution center under the hood and switch it with a different one having the same part number. See if that makes a difference.

One other thing, shift the transmission to neutral to see if the starter engages.

Try these things and let me know the results.

Take care,

Joe

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Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 6:52 PM
Tiny
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Hey Joe. First thing this particular vehicle does not have the security system the VIN# 1B3EL46X25N509818 the car has been sitting since 2011 the wife hit a deer so I have been intermittently changing parts about 2wks. Ago I drove it down the road and back ever since it has not started no horn, radio, dash lights, turn signals, windows work I’m afraid I’m ahead of you in respect of taking it apart I pulled the ignition switch & lock cylinder today BCM cost is higher than I so I’ll put it back together and let you know I should be able to do it fairly quickly I appreciate you getting back with me it means a lot. By the way, I have a service manual, but it doesn’t cover any of these problems. I will stay in touch and keep you updated. Thanks
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Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 7:34 PM
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When I pulled the lock cylinder I had to remove the collar that was on the lock cylinder there was a little black box with a plug on it removing that box I saw that little wire you spoke of getting all that out of my way it exposed the release pin so I could take the cylinder out. Is there any way to bench test the box and test the ignition switch?
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Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 7:52 PM
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Hi,

No problem. It sounds like you don't have any electrical components working. If that is the case, we need to check inside the fuse box to see if power is making it to the fuses. I attached the first set of fuses to get power. Using a test light, see if any have power.

Let me know.

Joe

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Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 7:58 PM
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The fuse box inside had very few with power the box under the hood had a bad relay and few fuses with power The suspension is the BCM to be honest I’m not proficient when it comes to electrical problems, but I do have the tools.
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Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 8:28 PM
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I reread what I wrote earlier let me clarify what I meant BCM is suspect. Not suspension.
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Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 9:40 PM
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Hi,

If only a few fuses have power under the hood, it sounds like the power distribution center (PDC) is faulty. As far as the fuse box inside the vehicle is concerned, it receives power from the PDC.

Are the fuses I sent a picture of all without power? Keep in mind, the BCM (body control module) isn't responsible for power in the PDC. That comes right from the battery.

Let me know,

Joe
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Friday, September 20th, 2024 AT 7:31 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe, I ordered a starter switch and as soon as I receive it, I will install it and get a diagram to you with the fuse that have power. The fuse box inside the car only had power on the20amp fuses the fuses are good but the7.5 and the majority of 10amp had no power With your help I Feel like it will be OK just give me a little time to get back where you can help my dumb.
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Friday, September 20th, 2024 AT 7:46 PM
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Hi,

You certainly aren't dumb. LOL No problem whatsoever. I'll be here. I look forward to hearing from you.

Take care,

Joe
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Friday, September 20th, 2024 AT 8:06 PM
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Thank you, Joe, have a good weekend.
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Friday, September 20th, 2024 AT 8:31 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe, just letting you know I haven't forgotten you. I'm waiting on the Ignition Switch plus I failed to let you know that couldn't use my scanner because there was no power at DLC I will get back to you when I have reassembled the steering column.
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Tuesday, September 24th, 2024 AT 10:42 AM
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Hi,

No problem whatsoever but thank you for the update. I will watch for your replies. Also, let me know if you have power to the DLC when the column is reinstalled.

Take care,

Joe
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Tuesday, September 24th, 2024 AT 6:57 PM
Tiny
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Will do.
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Tuesday, September 24th, 2024 AT 6:58 PM
Tiny
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Hello Joe, got everything back together and I realized that from this point on I will do as instructed, after all, I came to you for help. The little black box on the right-hand side of the steering wheel is in fact Security device. So, what's next?
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Saturday, September 28th, 2024 AT 12:45 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

You mentioned above that there is no power to the data link connector (DLC). Now that things are together, has that changed? Are we able to scan the computer at this point? Also, do we have power at the fuses you indicated didn't prior?

Don't laugh, but prior you mentioned your wife threw in a black box that was found. Is that from the security system?

Let me know.

Joe
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Saturday, September 28th, 2024 AT 6:35 PM

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