All related fuses are good as well as bulbs. Sockets are clean. Could it be a BCM issue?
Feb 22, 2019 at 4:34 AM
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Good morning,
Yes, it could be.
If you have normal brake lights to the rear, then the brake light switch is working correctly. It sends a signal to the BCM and then it goes to the center light.
Before assuming it is the BCM, you need to test for power coming out of the BCM. If there is power, then it could be wiring to the socket.
I would test it first before replacing an expensive part that will not fix it.
Thanks Roy. I will check at my earliest convenience. By the way, I was told that the BCM checks for resistance from the bulb and then sends 12 volts. If not is found, it will not send 12 volts and the BCM will need to be reset. Is this true?
Feb 22, 2019 at 5:34 AM
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No, it is not. It would do that if it controlled the ground.
No, the BCM does not have to be reset.
You need to check the voltages from the BCM to the socket.
Roy
Feb 22, 2019 at 6:02 AM
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Thanks again. I imagine that I should also confirm that the brake switch is sending the input signal as well? 12 volts?
Feb 22, 2019 at 6:12 AM
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For the record. I'm a licensed electrician, not an auto mechanic. Sorry for any confusion.
Feb 22, 2019 at 6:14 AM
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No worries.
No to the brake light switch. As I stated before, if the brake lights in the rear are working, the switch is working and sending a signal to the BCM. You can test it but it will be good.
You need to concentrate on the wiring from the BCM to the third light.
Roy
Feb 22, 2019 at 6:19 AM
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Very good, thanks again.
Feb 22, 2019 at 6:21 AM
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You are welcome.
Roy
Feb 22, 2019 at 6:23 AM
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Hey Roy, can you send me a picture of the diagram in PDF format? It's hard to view when enlarged.
I do see some numbers on the plugs, but no x designations. I thought I could figure it out by process of elimination, but I don't see a light blue wire in any position 2.
Feb 22, 2019 at 1:18 PM
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The pin arrangements are the same on all the connectors. There needs to be a light blue wire on one of them.
Roy
Feb 22, 2019 at 1:30 PM
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Based on the picture you sent me, I believe I found x6, but pin 2 looks gray...
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Feb 22, 2019 at 1:40 PM
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The wire at the light is light blue....?
Feb 22, 2019 at 1:41 PM
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I see a light blue wire. Use an ohmeter to see if is the wire to the third light socket.
Roy
Feb 22, 2019 at 1:50 PM
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There is a light blue wire on that plug, but it's definitely not position 2. And it has power now I just checked. Brake is not pressed.
Feb 22, 2019 at 1:52 PM
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That is not it.
X1 has a light blue wire close to that one.
X1, X4 and X6 have light blue wires.
Roy
Feb 22, 2019 at 1:57 PM
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What do you mean by "close to that one"? I do see other light blue wires, but not in position 2...
Feb 22, 2019 at 2:02 PM
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I don't have a diagram of the connectors for markings of the X. You will need to do an ohm check from the third light to the light blue wire. You may have to check the ones on the connectors that have light blue wires.
Roy
Feb 22, 2019 at 2:05 PM
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Okay.The saga continues.
Feb 22, 2019 at 2:07 PM
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Keep me updated.
Roy
Feb 22, 2019 at 2:08 PM
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Will do. Need more time.
Feb 22, 2019 at 2:39 PM
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Okay.
Roy
Feb 22, 2019 at 4:31 PM
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Hey Roy! Are you available?
Feb 24, 2019 at 11:33 AM
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Yes, I am here.
Roy
Feb 24, 2019 at 11:34 AM
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Hi again. So, I was wrong, that wire was actually just a little different shade of blue. The diagram is accurate. I found a damaged wire and repaired it. Now with everything back together, I still have no power at that terminal number 2 leaving the BCM.
Feb 24, 2019 at 11:38 AM
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Okay, if you found the wire from the BCM to the third light and repaired it and there is no power when the brake is applied, then the BCM is the issue.
Roy
Feb 24, 2019 at 11:43 AM
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Okay, isn't odd that the only thing not working is that light considering all it controls?
Feb 24, 2019 at 11:45 AM
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Yes, but that module controls about 100 things or more and if there was an issue with the wiring such as a ground on the power wire, it may have damaged the internal control circuit just for that section.
Roy
Feb 24, 2019 at 11:49 AM
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I was hoping you wouldn't say that! It was a direct short.
Feb 24, 2019 at 11:50 AM
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Now what?
Feb 24, 2019 at 11:50 AM
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You need to replace the BCM and have it programmed to your truck. This is a module that must be programmed.
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