Engine will not crank or turn over, it just clicks one time

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I'm really not sure what they all did, they just told me the radiator was cracked and there are metal shavings in the oil. So, I know that's not a good sign, but it still could be fixable probably, but it might just be cheaper to get another engine. I don't know. We will have to see.
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Wednesday, March 2nd, 2022 AT 2:35 AM
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Hi,

Yes, I totally agree with you. If the engine is bad, it will be much less expensive just to replace it.

If you decide to replace it yourself, let me know. I'll help you through it. Also, please let me know if you have questions and if there is anything I can do to help.

Take care,

Joe
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Wednesday, March 2nd, 2022 AT 5:09 PM
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Hey Joe, I got my car back and I'm off today and tomorrow and I know I already told you they didn't tell me exactly what was wrong. So, I'm going to figure it out myself. I'm about to start to disassemble the engine to get to the timing chain and see if that's the problem, but I really do believe it is because a failing timing chain could cause.
1. A misfire.
2. Poor performance
3. Rattling sound on starting the engine or idling.
4. Inability to start the engine.
6. Metal shavings in the oil.

Ect.
Also, before my car shut off it was losing power and I had a loss of acceleration, and all of this could be caused by a failing timing chain. So, I'm pretty sure that's what it is, so I'm going to start taking stuff off and I will keep you posted.
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Saturday, March 19th, 2022 AT 3:08 PM
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Hi,

Sounds like a plan. Do me a favor before taking it apart. Record it cranking and upload it for me to hear. If it is a timing issue, I should be able to hear it.

Also, did they drain the oil to determine there were metal shavings in it? If not, drain it through a strainer to see what is found.

Take care and stay in touch. I'm hoping we can get it going again. At least we can give it a heck of a try.

Joe
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Saturday, March 19th, 2022 AT 7:26 PM
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Hey man, I'm sorry I took everything apart already before I got back to reading your reply. So, I finally got the timing cover off and it was a pain to do so, lol. But the timing chain looks fine but there is a gear that needs to be changed. I believe it is the camshaft drive gear that's attached to the timing chain but I'm not sure that's what AutoZone said it was. But it is in really bad shape also the Camshaft Synchronizer that goes into the oil pump to turn it the gear on that is in bad shape too. So, I'm pretty sure that's what is wrong the gears are just old and need to be replaced, but I thought maybe the oil pump sized up and maybe that's why it caused the gears to grind together. So, I put the camshaft synchronizer back into the oil pump and it turned the oil pump. So, my oil pump is good. I don't know what caused this to happen, like I said, I'm not a mechanic. So, I'm sorry if you get confused if you need any more info just let me know. I will be adding a video and pictures so you can see what I'm talking about. Thanks man
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Saturday, March 26th, 2022 AT 5:56 PM
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Hi,

Wow, there are a lot of metal shavings. Does it appear it came from the gears you mentioned?

If the timing is correct, we may need to dig further into this. I'm not happy with what I see. I don't know what you have done yet, but you may need to take the oil pan off to see what is in it. It looks like bearing material. I wish I had heard it crank so I could have determined if it sounded like compression-related issues.

Let me know.

Joe
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Sunday, March 27th, 2022 AT 1:31 PM
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Hey man, I believe the metal shaving is from the gears. I will be pulling the oil pan tomorrow to see what's in it. I bought the camshaft synchronizer Monday, but I'm having trouble finding the other gear that's on the timing chain. I really don't know what the name of it is. AutoZone said it was camshaft drive gear, but I looked that up and couldn't find it. Then my buddy said it is the distributor gear and I looked that up and I found one that looked like it, but it said it was sold out. So, I really don't know the name of it and I was just going to buy a timing chain kit, but it doesn't come with that gear. I don't think anyways but AutoZone said I probably would have to go to the Ford house to get that gear. So, I am going to try that tomorrow. I'm not happy either man because it doesn't make any sense why this happened, to be honest and I'm sorry I wished I would have seen you're reply before I started taking everything apart; hopefully this is all that's wrong with it cause like I said the timing chain looks good.
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Thursday, March 31st, 2022 AT 2:07 PM
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Hi,

The car doesn't have a distributor, so no to that. I made a copy of your picture above and numbered each gear. Here is what each one is:

1) Balance shaft gear
2) Camshaft timing gear
3) Crankshaft timing gear
4) Camshaft position sensor drive gear

Let me know which one you are looking for, and I'll see what I can find. It may be nothing, but I'll give it a shot.

Let me know.

Joe
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Thursday, March 31st, 2022 AT 5:13 PM
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Thanks for doing that, I really do appreciate it. If you can help me, find one, it's the Camshaft position sensor drive gear.
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Thursday, March 31st, 2022 AT 5:23 PM
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Hi,

We have two choices for that part. You will need to see if a Ford dealership can get it, or you will need to find one at a salvage yard. There are no aftermarket manufacturers that produce it.

I wish I had a better answer, but I've exhausted my resources and found nothing.

Let me know if you are able to find one. See if there are any of these engines in salvage yards.

Let me know.

Joe
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Thursday, March 31st, 2022 AT 6:35 PM
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I'll let you know tomorrow. Thank you
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Thursday, March 31st, 2022 AT 6:52 PM
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Quick question, do I have to remove the timing chain to get the camshaft position sensor drive gear off? Because I took the bolt out and it didn't come off.
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Friday, April 1st, 2022 AT 7:30 AM
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Hi,

No, the chain shouldn't need to be removed. If you have a plastic hammer, tap on it. There could be corrosion holding it in place. Also, if it's bad, you have nothing to worry about. IF that still doesn't work, you may need to get a puller.

Let me know if you get it.

Joe
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Friday, April 1st, 2022 AT 1:55 PM
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Hey Joe, do you still want me to remove the oil pan? If so, I will but it's a pain in the but to remove. Plus, I would have to get another gasket and I'm already tired of working on this car, lol. I literally don't know what I'm doing, I'm just watching YouTube videos and my dad helping me when he can, and I still haven't got that gear off. It's stuck on there. I tried to hit it with a hammer but it didn't turn or anything and I have a puller, but it won't fit it or I just don't know what I'm doing. I'm going to try to get everything done this weekend and hopefully put everything back together and hope to God it turns over if not the engine is seized up. Also, should I just get a whole new timing chain kit, or not? My oil pump is okay, but should I go ahead and get another one? Because I have seen several people saying you should replace the oil pump, but I don't know. If you think I should than I will but just please give me some recommendations of what I should do, because I don't know at this point. Thanks man.
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Wednesday, April 6th, 2022 AT 4:26 PM
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Hi,

What kind of pulley do you have? It should come off with a small three-jaw puller similar to the one below. (Pic 1).

As far as the oil pan is concerned, I totally understand. The concern is this. Based on the metal shavings you found, there could be a lot in the pan and pump.

Since we don't know exactly what happened, I wouldn't recommend replacing it too much. Instead, try cleaning as best as you can.

Let me know.

Joe
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Wednesday, April 6th, 2022 AT 5:26 PM
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Okay, I'll try to go ahead and take the oil pan off Friday after I get off work and clean it out, I plan on flushing the engine out with the cheapest oil a few times to make sure all the shaving are out of the engine too should I go ahead and do that before I take the oil pan off? And also, how would I go about cleaning the oil pump out, do I just use water or something else?
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Thursday, April 7th, 2022 AT 4:46 AM
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I think removing the pan is going to tell us a lot. I wish I could have been there and heard what it was doing. That tells me a lot. If the pan is filled with metal shavings, I'm not sure if I would recommend continuing.

Let me know.

Joe
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Thursday, April 7th, 2022 AT 1:18 PM
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Okay, I agree, to be honest, if there is a lot of metal shavings in the oil pan it's definitely not a good sign and more than likely my engine is seized up but I'll probably go ahead and clean everything than put everything back on and just see if the engine will turn over if not I'm going to find another car to drive for now than engine swap the Mustang when I can. I was planning on putting a v8 in it eventually so now I have a reason to do it. Lol, I was just trying to fix it until I save up enough to buy a v8 though because they get expensive. I would just sell this car but I have a title loan on it atm, so I can't really afford that right now. So, I'm hoping this is all that's wrong with it and I told you everything that I know of that happened all it would do was click when I tried to start it and the starter was engaging but it just wouldn't turn over. Then I kept constantly turning it off than back on than I finally got it turned over and it was making a loud grinding/rattling noise it sounded like it was coming from the front of the engine so idk but I will get the oil pan pulled tomorrow and let you know.
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Thursday, April 7th, 2022 AT 2:04 PM
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Sounds like a plan. Just be aware. If you plan to change the engine size, that is an entirely new bag of problems. Everything will need to be changed. Things such as wiring harnesses, all control modules, vacuum harnesses, and the list goes on. If you want one with a V8, I would recommend getting one made with the V8.

I'm telling you that the same as I would tell my brother. LOL

Take care,

Joe
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Thursday, April 7th, 2022 AT 8:10 PM

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