Car will not start, codes P1400, P0102 and P0113

Tiny
JOY ARRUDA
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  • 2003 MITSUBISHI OUTLANDER
  • 2.4L
  • 4 CYL
  • 4WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 180,000 MILES
Symptoms are; I was driving car had full sudden loss of power. While going up hill on highway. I barely made it to top. Speed limit was 60& and I had pedal to the medal barely going 10 mph.. Let it set awhile then it seemed okay. Although a noticeable loss of power on highway. It was not right next day. Didn't go over like 5 5mph, then next day as soon as I tried to accelerate. Everything. Power cut out. Died on highway. It backfired.I saw a plume of smoke in my rear view mirror When I tried to start there was no power. Turned over. Would not start. Got towed home. Ran ob2 test. Got p0141. Car would not start at all until we replaced 2 blown relays for the fuel pump. It starts since we replaced relays. But as soon as u press on gas it just dies. We've replaced fuel pump, downstream 02 sensor, fuel pressure regulator, Ran scan. Got 3 more codes p1400, p0102 and p0113 Then I cleared codes. We then replaced air speed controller. Spark plugs, MAS sensor. Still shuts off as soon as gas pedal is pushed. Checked timing. It had jumped 3 teeth, so set timing Still wont stay running. Then we rebuilt fuel injectors. Put new ignition. Coil packs. It still started but died out as soon as you pressed on gas. We then replaced ignition switch. After doing that the car hasn't started since. We then replaced CAM sensor, TPS, It turns over but wont start. For a while it was throwing code p0122, p0500, and pending p0122. ID reset codes and they would come right back. Now its not throwing any codes. It turns over, but wont start. My husband is at a complete loss. Any ideas?
Friday, December 20th, 2019 AT 1:45 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

The P1400 is my biggest concern. Have you checked the wiring to and condition of the manifold differential pressure sensor? It can cause all of the codes you identified.

I attached a pic below to help locate it.

Let me know.

Joe
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Sunday, December 22nd, 2019 AT 7:34 PM
Tiny
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Yes, my husband says we replaced it. He says the resistance and voltage check are good also.
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Saturday, December 28th, 2019 AT 7:22 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

At this point, since we know the timing had jumped 3 teeth, we need to check engine compression. The engine is an interference engine. Basically, if the timing jumps, it will cause internal damage to the valves and pistons due to lack of clearance.

Is it possible for you to record the vehicle cranking and upload it for me to hear? Also I need you to do the following.

Here is what I need you to do. I need to have the compression tested. I suspect there is low compression due to the timing issue. Here is a link that explains how it is done. If you don't have a compression gauge, most parts stores will lend one to you.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

Here are the directions specific to your vehicle when checking compression. It indicates the engine coolant to be between 176 and 203° F. Since the engine doesn't run, that can't be done. So, don't worry about the eng temp. I will know if there is an issue based on the readings you send me. Also, the two pics below correlate with the directions.

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2003 Mitsubishi Truck Outlander AWD L4-2.4L SOHC
Compression Pressure Check
Vehicle Powertrain Management Tune-up and Engine Performance Checks Compression Check Testing and Inspection Component Tests and General Diagnostics Compression Pressure Check
COMPRESSION PRESSURE CHECK
COMPRESSION PRESSURE CHECK
1. Before inspection, check that the engine oil, starter and battery are normal. Also, set the vehicle in the following condition:
Engine coolant temperature: 80 - 95°C (176 - 203°F)
Lights, and all accessories: OFF
Transaxle: P range
2. Disconnect the spark plug cables.
3. Remove all of the spark plugs.

pic 1

4. Disconnect the crankshaft position sensor connector.

NOTE: Doing this will prevent the engine control module from carrying out ignition and fuel injection.

WARNING: Keep your distance from the spark plug hole when cranking. Oil, fuel, etc., may spray out from the spark plug hole and may cause serious injury.

5. Cover the spark plug hole with a shop towel etc., during cranking. After the engine has been cranked, check for foreign material adhering to the shop towel.

pic 2

6. Set a compression gauge to one of the spark plug holes.
7. Crank the engine with the throttle valve fully open and measure the compression pressure.
Standard value (at engine speed of 250 - 400 r/min): 1,275 kPa (185 psi)
Minimum limit (at engine speed of 250 - 400 r/min): 959 kPa (139 psi)
8. Measure the compression pressure for all the cylinders, and check that the pressure differences of the cylinders are below the limit.
Limit: 98 kPa (14 psi)
9. If there is a cylinder with compression or a compression difference that is outside the limit, pour a small amount of engine oil through the spark plug hole, and repeat the operations in steps 6 to 8.
1. If the compression increases after oil is added, the cause of the malfunction is a worn or damaged piston ring and/ or cylinder inner surface.
2. If the compression does not rise after oil is added, the cause is a burnt or defective valve seat, or pressure is leaking from the gasket.
10. Connect the crankshaft position sensor connector.
11. Install the spark plugs and spark plug cables.
12. Use the scan tool to erase the diagnostic trouble codes.

NOTE: This will erase the diagnostic trouble code resulting from the crankshaft position sensor connector being disconnected.

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Let me know what you find.

Joe
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Saturday, December 28th, 2019 AT 8:11 PM
Tiny
JOY ARRUDA
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Thank you I will have my husband do this test.I know performed a compression test a couple times since my car has gone down. And both times it had compression.
We also just ordered a new ECU. Well used ECU that's tested with a 1 year warranty. With any luck. Maybe that's what's wrong with it.
But I will let him know what you suggested to do and I can send the sound of my cars Crank No start issue.
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Tuesday, January 7th, 2020 AT 8:09 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

Let me know what he finds. Also, if possible, let me know the compression readings that were found. Also, I will watch for the audio upload.

Take care,
Joe
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Tuesday, January 7th, 2020 AT 9:28 PM

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