Injector coil fuse blows when crank

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Hello,

Check Fuse 14. It supplies power to the power side of the relay. Please get back to us with what you are able to find out.

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Sunday, November 17th, 2019 AT 4:50 PM
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Okay, I didn't check fuse check 14 yet not home, but when I disconnected the fuel rail gas came out only when key was turned I can here pump fuel didn't come out at crank or just at key being forward also took valve off chain is still tight an seems like all tensioners are working. Also changed cam sensor, but the 24 25 just did not light up during test with key forward, but with key forward auto shut down did light up two pins left an top pin lit on all relays. They all lit up at same pins plus swapped relays around.
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Sunday, November 17th, 2019 AT 5:51 PM
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14 is good all lghts up an then swapped them around.
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Monday, November 18th, 2019 AT 10:30 AM
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Hello again,

Okay so let's check the dark green/orange wire from pin 6 of the PCM connector to splice 108 of the engine harness for an open. In the diagrams down below I have included a guide on how to find an open in an automotive electrical circuit for you. Please go through this guide and get back to us with what you are able to find out.

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Monday, November 18th, 2019 AT 11:28 PM
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Where is the guide?
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Tuesday, November 19th, 2019 AT 2:44 PM
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Question, I cut both radio noise capacitors off an threw in garbage could this be the problem? Do I need the capacitors grounded? Right now there are no capacitors on the green light green wires.
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Tuesday, November 19th, 2019 AT 2:47 PM
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Hello again,

I'm sorry. I forgot to put the the guide in the previous reply. Here is the guide for how to find an open in an automotive electrical circuit that I promised earlier. The capacitors collect the Electro Magnetic Frequency [EMF] that results from the collapsing magnetic field of the coils used to fire the spark plugs and then routs it to a ground. This frequency can interfere with crankshaft/camshaft sensor signals, and is famous for causing a hum in the speakers of your car stereo. But first let's check the wire for an open that we talked about earlier, please. Please go through it and get back to us with what you find out.

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Wednesday, November 20th, 2019 AT 5:44 AM
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Alex, I am not real good with the multi meter, but the connection seems fine per instructions. I didn't find any opens on the green/orange wire but when I change the relay inside the car same type of relay the fuses 24/25 both lit up the probe. When I turned key forward in cranking mode test light light up. I used the fan wire an got a new radio frequency capacitor, but car still no crank.
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Wednesday, November 20th, 2019 AT 3:20 PM
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*typo I used fan relay.
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Wednesday, November 20th, 2019 AT 3:21 PM
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Hello again,

Okay, so I think we are going to be down to a bad Powertrain Control Module[PCM] or "computer". Fuse 24 provides power to all of the coils and fuel injectors, so if your test light is lighting up and you still are a no start then that leaves the other half of the circuit, and the PCM controls both the coils and the fuel injectors by providing and breaking ground, which obviously isn't happening in your vehicle's case. It's not the end of the world, I had to replace the PCM in my personal vehicle just a couple of months ago for the same thing, no start, no spark and no fuel injectors, so it can be done. Please get back to us with what you decide and we can go from there.

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Thursday, November 21st, 2019 AT 5:21 AM
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Hello again,

Scratch my last reply. I was thinking about this some more and something occurred to me, where did you cut the dark green/light green wire that is going to each of the Ignition capacitors [noise suppressors] at? In the diagrams down below I have included the same set of wiring diagrams as I have previously sent, but this time I went and got the Original Equipment Manufacturer [OEM], or Chrysler's wiring diagrams instead of the non-OEM wiring diagrams. You can clearly see that the noise suppressor is a parallel circuit in the ignition coil circuit, and could be the short to ground that is causing the problem, but I believe it's the old COP that is being used has the short to ground in it, then either way if the wire is cut before anywhere in the circuit before the first dot[directly underneath the from S138's on diagram 5] then it would create an open in each banks COP circuit and cause a no start, but the short to ground would also have no electricity going to it and fuse 24 wouldn't blow. Please go through these guides and get back to us with where the dark green/light green wire was cut at and we can go from there.

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Thursday, November 21st, 2019 AT 6:41 AM
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I cut the green light green wire right at the capacitor just to take capacitor of so capacitor is grounded and mines was broken into pieces. So I just cut it off. I took maybe 1 inch of wire off along with capacitor.
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Thursday, November 21st, 2019 AT 1:52 PM
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Also if I change PCM would it have to b reset at a dealer or just as long as I get same year an all it plug an play.2nd I did do the water pump but I am pretty sure I did a good job putting timing back I lined up all sprockets an marks an set the primary tenssioner then rotated motor by hand two times an marks lined right back up done I dint move came as it was not a rest timing it was a water pump but could it b the time off I don't get any codes for cam or crank when I turn motor.
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Thursday, November 21st, 2019 AT 1:59 PM
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Hello again,

Okay, so if you cut the wire there then we might be looking at a bad PCM. As far as getting the timing chain/belt lined up with the timing marks, if you are able to turn your engine over a couple of times through the four stroke process with no resistance when turning it by hand, other than the resistance of turning an engine over by hand, then you are in the clear for being off on the timing, it's right. That wouldn't cause a no start from no spark either. Having said this, I have included in the diagrams down below the instructions for the removal and installation of your vehicle's ECM/PCM, along with the requirements when replacing said ECM/PCM. It will have to be reprogrammed to the Sentry Key Immobilizer Module[SKIM] at the dealership. I have also included the price for parts and labor for your vehicle's ECM/PCM should you decide to go that way. It looks like the cost for your ECM/PCM, removal and installation, and reprogramming will cost less than I paid for my PCM, used. To get the labor rate take the installation and reprogramming time add them together and then multiply that sum by the hourly shop rate in your area to come up with the labor cost. Also, please pay special attention to the highlighted areas of the guides, and whenever replacing anything electrical on your vehicle, disconnect the negative battery cable BEFORE you start. This will negate any power spikes from damaging sensitive electrical components. Please go through these guides and get back to us with how everything is progressing.

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Thursday, November 21st, 2019 AT 10:10 PM
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Question, so I unplugged the cam sensor car crank right up the cam wheel was put on back wards buy mistake and I was tapping on it with a hammer and screw driver to force it to seat looks like after realizing it was backward. I can see some small dents on the very outside rim. Could this be an issue an since car did crank? Could it still be a PCM?
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Friday, November 22nd, 2019 AT 3:05 PM
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Hello again,

Yes it would. In the diagrams down below I have included exactly what happens with your vehicle in "Start Up" mode. Please go through this guide and get back to us when done. We can go from there with CMP wheel replacement instructions.

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Saturday, November 23rd, 2019 AT 1:12 AM
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Wow too vague. I am asking do you still think I new PCM? And why even though car cranked up without cam plugged in. Also can I take computer to dealer and have programmed or do I need to take car and all?Thanks
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Saturday, November 23rd, 2019 AT 12:26 PM
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Also, this motor was changed it is not the original. I don't remember programming the PCM for the used motor and I drove it for 2 years. I do not know.
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Saturday, November 23rd, 2019 AT 12:41 PM
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Hello again,

Yes, I still think that your vehicle's ECM/PCM has bad drivers in it. If you read what I sent last time, it says that when the ignition switch is turned to "start" and the ECM/PCM receives both CKP and CMP signals it will energize the ASD Relay, which your vehicle does, but the fuel injectors or ignition coils are not getting power, which only leaves the drivers from the ECM/PCM. You can have your vehicle's keys programmed to the new ECM/PCM either at the dealership or by a locksmith. There are no other options here.

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Saturday, November 23rd, 2019 AT 1:10 PM
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Okay, thank you so much.
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Sunday, November 24th, 2019 AT 4:32 PM

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