High idle speed on cold start up?

Tiny
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When cold or car has been stationary for a period of time on start up it idles high say about 1800-2000 rpm for approximately 2-3 minutes then gradually drops down to normal idle speed. Is this normal and if not how can this problem be rectified.
Tuesday, August 5th, 2014 AT 6:41 PM

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Tiny
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On this car it does not have an IAC valve. It must have a vacuum leak or the throttle body needs service these guides will help. Check for a vacuum leak when the engine is cold.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/throttle-actuator-service

Please go over these guides and report back.
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Tuesday, August 5th, 2014 AT 6:49 PM
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Engine Performance problem
2003 Toyota Camry 4 cyl Two Wheel Drive Automatic

Hi Pros- I removed the throttle duct and cleaned the butterfly with an approved cleaner. When I put it back together, it idles at 2K rpm to start, then drops to 1200 and fluctuates. I took off the throttle body and cleaned it, blew out the hoses. No help. No codes are set. Any ideas? Thanks, Wes
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:10 PM (Merged)
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Hi there,

start with checking for a vacuum leak from the throttle body gasket or a cracked vacuum hose that you may have knocked loose. This video will how you how to fix it.

https://youtu.be/XMB16Gg-qNg

Mark (mhpautos)
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Hello,

I have a 2003 Toyota Camry and sometimes when i'm driving or at a complete stop my rpm's start reving high at over 2000. When it does this the thermostat drop all the way to L like I just started the card in the cold. Then all the sudden it like it fixes it self. The thermostat goes back to normal and the rpm's drop back to normal. It doesn't doo it all the time. Do you have any sugestions. I'm not a mechanic and don't have a code reader. I just need to know where to start. I have a warranty, I just want to know if it something I can fix for under the $100.00 deductible that my warranty has. Thanks -Rich
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:10 PM (Merged)
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I would pay a donation on this site and have one of their mechanics tell you what's wrong.
It sounds like you have a sensor that is incorrectly reading the engine temperature as ice cold, so it puts in more fuel. When it puts in more fuel its like you are pushing down on the accelerator pedal and the engine revs go way up. Just for fun I'm guessing coolant temperature sensor, but I'm no mechanic, I only work on our own cars. Pay the donation & one of the experts will tell you what it is.
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:10 PM (Merged)
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Hi rdrzaz,

Thank you for the donation.

Joe is correct about the Engine Coolant Temperature sensor malfunctioning. However I believe it is more likely to be a loose wire connection rather than a faulty sensor. Faulty sensors would be more consistent in symptoms and your symptom are irregular and only occurs briefly. However we cannot rule it out completely.

I would suggest checking the ECT wire connector for looseness, contamination or broken wires, some wires tends to break internally while the external cover still looks good and a little tugging would cause continuity to break.

The ECT sends its signal to the ECM which transfers the signal the temperature gauge in the meter cluster, so you would have to check ECM wire harness as well.
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:10 PM (Merged)
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Long story but I think it may all be related. 2.4L 4cyl. 2002 Toyota Camry SE. Automatic. No turbo. American built. 185,000 miles.
March of 2015 had to replace starter. Had to remove air filter housing(AFH) to access the starter. Attached to the back of the AFH was a VSV. (OEM #90910-12199) While detaching lines, I broke one nipple on VSV. Not even sure of it's function but tried to rig a fix (not 100%). Shortly after (within the next week) it set a CEL and code which has stayed on since but I didn't really notice any difference in how the car ran. >> To present time.
2yr old battery went dead. Needed to replace alternator and battery, but when I hooked the new battery up, I had low idle and stalling at stops. This did not get better after a number of drives. So looked up solution video's and decided to do several things as long as I was going to replace the alt.
Ordered new alt, VSV, PCV, and got throttle body cleaner and MAF cleaner.
Replaced badly gunked PCV. Cleaned MAF (wire was black with carbon) and inner elements too.
Carefully cleaned throttle body taking care not to disturb butterfly position. Cleaned with toothbrush both outer area and inner area behind butterfly.
Just behind the butterfly was an opening (port for IAC valve?). I tried to at least get repeated spray with cleaner into the small opening.
Replaced VSVButtoned it all up.
Started. Took out for a good drive. Several over the next week. Check engine light is now gone and has stayed out. Computer reset to about 750rpm and stayed that way for about a week more.
Now, on cold start up, it revs to about 1000 - 1100rpm's and stays there until put in gear. Then it goes back to 750 and is rock steady. Overall I think the engine is performing better. Sounds and runs great.
But could a still dirty IAC be causing the high idle? I didn't really even see it when cleaning the throttle body, and assume I would have had to remove the TB to access the IAC.
Also, while removing the air intake ducting I had to remove lines from another part that looked somewhat like the VSV on the back of the AFH. In fact I had to remove and reattach a number of air (vacuum?) Lines and wonder if I may have caused another leak. After all these lines are 13 years old now, but I see no collapsing or cracking of them.
Can you steer me in a likely direction?
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:10 PM (Merged)
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If it only does it cold on start up I tmay be that its' supposed to do that if it drops down to 750 after it starts. But look at throttle body again and clean with choke cleaner on both sides of plate, no need for tooth brush also iac hole. Then recheck vacuum lines bu t1100 isn't that high on startup. Also check pcv hose for partial blockages
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:10 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hmac,
Something is confusing me. I read here in one Throttle body cleaning guide that electronic throttle engines do not have an IAC. The computer controls the throttle plate at start up to get the right air/fuel mix.
Also, every picture I see shows the iac intake hole in FRONT of the plate on the throttle bore.
The small hole I mentioned trying to clean sits BEHIND the plate on my bore.
So does this Camry engine even have an IAC valve or what?
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:10 PM (Merged)
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Some do and some don't so I just put that in there as a generic answer. If you have it it will be an extra hole sometimes oblong to side or top of throttle plate yours doesn't have one I found a drawing of one so clean both sides of plate and by the shaft as it can get gummy there but choke cleaner will get rid of it.
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:10 PM (Merged)
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Cold start engine revs to 1500 RPM in park. I consider that too high. IMZ-FE engine.
Car will jerk (and I cringe) when trans in put into drive or reverse unless foot is firmly on brake. My other cars don't have this high of an idle at cold start.

The RPM's decrease after about five minutes of normal driving to about 600-700 in drive.
I've cleaned the throttle plate of carbon with carb cleaner. But no change in cold start RPM's.
Is there an adjustment to decrease cold start RPM's? If so, can you please describe in detail?
Thanks!
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:11 PM (Merged)
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Cold start of 1500 rpm is correct.

The cold start rpm is controlled by the IAC which is non adjustable.

Most probably the engine mounts are bad if it is jerking too harshly.
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:11 PM (Merged)
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I just bought a camry v6, I found the idle RPM very high, about 1.5K rpm, is there someone could show me how to adjust.

Another problem is vibration, seems missing, I have replaced new spark plugs, but still there.

One more problem is oil missing, I change oil and put full level. The car after ran 1000Km, I check the oil level, it is near dry, I have to put about 3L oil, then to the full level, but no blue smoke, I have replaced rocker cover gasket, the engine is dry.
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:11 PM (Merged)
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The idling speed is computer controlled and non adjustable. If it is idling hig, check for vacuum leakages at manifold, faulty IAC and clogged IAC coolant hoses or low coolant level.

Misfiring at low engine rpm could be due to tight valve clearances. Have them checked, together with the engine compression.

The age of the vehicle indicates you most likely have worn valve seals and when this occur, there might not be too much blue smoke as the catalytic converter would reduce some of them.
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:11 PM (Merged)
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Hello and thanks for your help.
The car always idles at 1800 rpm for approx 5 minutes when cold. The throtle controller has been cleaned twice and seems to lower the idle on cold starts to 1400 rpm for a few weeks, then it goes back to 1800. Once the engine is warm it starts up and idles perfect. I think that idle controller may beed to be replaced.

Thank You Very Much,
Sincerely,
Steve Savoy
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:11 PM (Merged)
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I think you may be right steve, Your idle air control valve is what is gonna keep your car from shutting off when there is no throttle, it allows just enough air to get into the combustion chamber so it doesnt shut off.
Also I would check all of the vacuum hoses to make sure they are all connected and that they dont have any cracks in them, that will also cause a very high idle, and then there is the throttle position sensor, which is the other possibility, An easy way to check for a vacuum leak is to gently mist some brake clean or throttle cleaner(prefferably), around the intake manifold and all of the vacuum hoses, If there is a change in idle, then thats where your leak is. Let me know how you do.
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:11 PM (Merged)
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2002 Toyota Camry mileage: 2,400. Upon cold start-up, my new Camry jumps to approximately 2,000 RPM for about five seconds and then the Rpms drop to about 1,500 Rpm. I fear that this initial jump is too high for cold warm-ups. Is this initial jump typical of the new Camry's? Should it be taken in? It does this every time it is cold started.
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:11 PM (Merged)
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The cold fast idle Rpm is controlled by the computer. If there is a malfunction causing this to idle toohigh, scanning the computer should tell you what is wrong.
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:11 PM (Merged)
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I discovered that the oil level in my car is getting less and less. I travel about 26 miles to and from work every week. The rpm's of my car is high when cold starting around 1.8 rpm's. After traveling for 2 to 3 minutes the rpm's return to normal. My mechanic did check both the injectors and the timing and everything seemed fine. What do I do? Any expert advice would be highly appreciated.
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Saturday, April 11th, 2020 AT 1:12 PM (Merged)
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The rpm is controlled by the computer so if it goes down to normal about 550 to 800 when warm then I would say it is okay and is just what the computer wants it to idle at as for the oil usage, I do not know how much oil you are talking about, but some oil usage is going to happen the more miles you get on your car a quart of oil every 1000 miles is not unheard of.
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