Engine is hard starting?

Tiny
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Hello, the vehicle has difficulty in starting most times. For instance, if I am to start the vehicle seven different times, it might not start at the first and second time (just be cranking but not starting). The third time it might start and function properly. The fourth time, it might start and perform well. The fifth time, it might not start (just cranking). The sixth time, it might start easily. The seventh time, it might not start (just cranking).
These seven times, I mean cranking the engine seven different times without moving the vehicle (all done within four minutes). I have replaced the fuel pump. What could be the cause?
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That's exactly what I was doing before you responded.
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Hi,

My first thought was a fuel pressure related issue, but you mentioned that you replaced the pump. Have you confirmed that fuel pressure is within the manufacturer's specs? If not, do that.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Here are directions specific to your vehicle. The attached pics correlate with the directions.

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2007 Toyota Corolla L4-1.8L (1ZZ-FE)
Component Tests and General Diagnostics
Vehicle Powertrain Management Fuel Delivery and Air Induction Fuel Pump Fuel Pressure Testing and Inspection Component Tests and General Diagnostics
COMPONENT TESTS AND GENERAL DIAGNOSTICS
ON-VEHICLE INSPECTION

1. CHECK FUEL PUMP OPERATION

pic 1

a. Connect the intelligent tester to the DLC3.
b. Turn the ignition switch to the ON position.

NOTE: Do not start the engine.

c. Turn the intelligent tester on.
d. Select the following menu items: DIAGNOSIS / ENHANCED OBD II / ACTIVE TEST / FUEL PUMP/ SPD.
e. Check the fuel operation while operating it with the intelligent tester.

If the fuel pump does not operate, replace the fuel pump.

pic 2

f. If you have no intelligent tester, connect the positive (+) lead from the battery to terminal 5 of the connector, and the negative (-) lead to terminal 4.

NOTE:
- These tests must be done quickly (for less than 10 seconds) to prevent the coil from burning out.
- Keep the fuel pump as far away from the battery as possible.
- Always do the switching at the battery side.

g. Check that there is pressure remaining in the fuel inlet pipe from the fuel line.

HINT: If there is fuel pressure, you will hear the sound of fuel flow. If there is no fuel pressure, check these parts: Fusible link, Fuses, Main relay Fuel pump, ECM and Wire harness.

h. Turn the intelligent tester off.
i. Turn the ignition switch to the LOCK position.
j. Disconnect the intelligent tester from the DLC3.

2. CHECK FUEL PRESSURE
a. Using a voltmeter, measure the battery voltage.

Standard voltage: 11 to 14V

b. Discharge fuel system pressure.
c. Disconnect the cable from the negative (-) battery terminal.

pic 3

d. Remove the fuel pipe clamp No. 1.
e. Pinch the retainer of the fuel tube connector, then pull the fuel tube connector out of the pipe to disconnect the fuel tube.

NOTE:
- Check that there is no dirt or other foreign objects around the connector before disconnecting it. Clean the connector if necessary.
- It is necessary to prevent mud or dirt from entering the connector. If mud or dirt gets in the connector, the O-rings may not seal properly.
- Only disconnect the quick connector by hand.
- Do not bend, kink or twist the nylon tubes.
- Protect the connector by covering it with a plastic bag.
- If the pipe and connector are stuck, carefully try wiggling or pushing and pulling on the connector to release it. Pull the connector off the pipe carefully.

pic 4

f. Install SST and the fuel tube connector into the vehicle.

SST 09268-31011 (09268-41500, 90467-13001, 95336-08070), 09268-45014 (09268-41200, 09268-41220, 09268-41250)

g. Wipe off any split gasoline.
h. Connect the cable to the negative (-) battery terminal.

Torque: 5.4 N.m (55 kgf.cm, 48 in.lbf)

pic 5

i. Connect the intelligent tester to the DLC3.
j. Turn the ignition switch to the ON position.
k. Turn the intelligent tester on.
l. Select the following menu items: DIAGNOSIS / ENHANCED OBD II / ACTIVE TEST / FUEL PUMP/ SPD.

pic 6

m. If you have no intelligent tester, connect the positive (+) lead from the battery to terminal 5 of the connector, and the negative (-) lead to terminal 4.
n. Measure the fuel pressure.

Standard: 304 to 343 kPa (3.1 to 3.5 kgf/sq.cm, 44 to 50 psi)

- If the fuel pressure is greater than the standard value, replace the fuel pump.
- If the fuel pressure is less than the standard value, check the connection of the fuel hose and fuel pump.

o. Disconnect the intelligent tester from the DLC3.
p. Start the engine.
q. Measure the fuel pressure when the engine idles.

Standard: 304 to 343 kPa (3.1 to 3.5 kgf/sq.cm, 44 to 50 psi)

r. Stop the engine.
s. After stopping the engine, check that the fuel pressure does not change for 5 minutes.

Standard: 147 kPa (1.5 kgf/sq.cm, 21 psi) or more

If the fuel pressure is not as specified, check the fuel pump or fuel injector.

pic 7

t. Connect the fuel tube.
1. Align the fuel tube connector with the pipe, then push the fuel tube connector in until the retainer makes a "click" sound to connect the fuel tube to the pipe.

NOTE:
- Check that there are no scratches or foreign objects around the connected part of the fuel tube connector and pipe before performing this work.
- After connecting the fuel tube, check that the fuel tube is securely connected by pulling the fuel tube connector.

u. Install the fuel pipe clamp No. 1.
v. Check for fuel leaks.

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If the pressure is within spec, I need to know a couple things. First, does the check engine light stay on when the engine is running? Also, do you have a scan tool that can read live data?

Let me know.
Joe
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Here it is.
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Thank you.
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Good work on the video, it looks like the fuel pump is weak which will cause the code and the hard starting. You will need a fuel pressure gauge to check the pressure. Here is a guide that will give you an idea on what to do.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

and if bad

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-an-electric-fuel-pump

You are lucky tough becasue the tank does not have to be dropped to replace the pump, your car has a trap door. Here are the diagram (below)

Please let us know what you find.

Cheers, Ken
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The engine light does not stay on.
No scan tool to read live data.
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Ok but my car doesn't have a test port so I'll have to use a t fitting on the fuel line or swim thing but it has to be this fuel pump because everything else has been replaced so it's no reason besides low fuel pressure like you said. I'll let you know how it goes, thanks again !
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Okay, try testing the things in the aforementioned post. I have a feeling there is an issue at the distributor.

Let me know.

Joe
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Replaced he fuel pump with no changes in the hard starting.
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When I unplug the maf sensor the car dies and when I try to start it back up with it unplugged she fires right up and won't hesitate on the idle.
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It almost sounds like the compression is low, thanks for the videos by the way totally helps.

Lets remove the spark plugs and do this test.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

Please let us know what happens.

Cheers, Ken
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I did compression and all cylinders were good. If I remove the sensor while the car is running it dies of course but if I try to start it while it's unplugged it'll fire right up with no hesitation. I'm getting the P0113 code again now too. Now here's the thing, the maf sensor I got is from advance auto and it's not a Denso product so I ordered a new Denso Maf which will be here Wednesday. Could that be an issue? That's the last thing I could think of and like I said if I remove it and fire the car up it'll start right up the first few times and it won't have as rough of an idle shaking the motor as if it were a vacuum leak. I thought for a second the brake booster was leaking vacuum but I took the hose off and plugged it and the car still didn't do and better but I did do a smoke test on the motor and it's sealed tight. Injectors all drop the idle when unplugging one by one and my multimeter showed me that they have good current, compression on all cylinders and all in the green on my gauge, removed rac cool pack one by one and dropped the idle down every time and I have new spark plugs in so that's good, no oil in spark plug wells after I put a valve cover gasket on, new air filter, tried the upstream O2 replacement and had no effect on the engine, replaced the fuel pump and no effect as well.
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I thought the compression was low too because the fuel pressure is good and it has spark and air so it's the last thing to make a engine start but they were all good so that's when I unplugged that maf sensor and was shocked when it started in less than 2 seconds not once but multiple times but as SOON as I plug it in and try to start the car it's back to the hard starts.
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The lowest reading was 180 psi across all 4 cylinders.
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I went over the post again and I noticed that the crankshaft angle sensor has NOT been checked. It could be weak and taking a while gettting the voltage up, Plugging and unplugging the MAF must have something to do with it. You need an oscilloscope to check it though. Here is a guide to let you know what you are in for when changing it.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/crankshaft-angle-sensor-replacement

Here is what it will be like on your car (below)

Please let us know what you find. I'm interested to see what it is.

Cheers, Ken
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I took it off at one point to see if it was a problem but I never replaced it because I was so focused on the P0171 code but I'll replace it this week and let you know. Thanks again.
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Sweet, let us know what happens
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