The engine is misfiring I changed spark plugs

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NCFIREFIGHTER2011
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I just got it back from the shop. Had original pickup coil and ignition module, apparently Chevy had a problem with these in the 90s. Mechanic said they were crappy and replaced them. He said he checked fuel system and O2 sensor. Don't know about the crank sensor. I assume he would have known, he plugged into the ALDL. It runs way better now, no misfiring while accelerating or cruising. However, there is still an occasional stumble or skip while idling, less than before, but still obviously present to me. I wonder about the actual ignition coil? I will check the wires for signs of arcing in the mean time. What do you suggest I use to keep them off of the metal since most of the stock clips broke? Thanks!
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I usually will use zip ties to keep things in place. Just for the heck of it, at night, start the engine, open the hood, and mist water on to the plug wires, coil. All ignition components. Do it in the dark so you can see even the slighest arc. Also, the crank sensor is mounted low near the crank shaft pulley. See if you see any arcing there too. Please keep you hands away from the fan and belts. As far as the ignition module, yes, they have always caused problems. Usually, a person would shut the engine and it just wouldn't restart (no spark).
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All right gentleman let me tell you about this truck recently I put a re-built 350 in it and made it real nice but before the new motor was in I had a problem with a sluggish feeling and miss at 1800 to 2200 rpms the motor is running lean, power is just not there no engine lights well once when I floored it and got a valve clatter with that and then the light popped on and went out after while. Well the new motor has inherited the same issue, distrubuter is new coil, O2 sensor, engine water pump, exhaust, thermostat, verything exepct sensors and EGR, no performance chips, just headers. I'm at a loss chevrolet and all the people around my area say just deal with it you'll never find the problem but I dont want to deal with it I have a lot of money in this truck and I love the old style chevys can u help me!
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Engine misfiring can be caused by worn or fouled spark plugs, a weak spark (weak coil, bad spark plug wire), loss of compression, vacuum leaks, anything that causes an unusually lean fuel mixture (lean misfire), an EGR valve that is stuck open, dirty fuel injectors, low fuel pressure, or even bad fuel.

This guide will help us fix it

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-misfires-or-runs-rough

Please run down this guide and report back.
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Truck has a new engine ran great for a while but then it started misfiring when engine warmed up and when I turned on the defrost. Every thing on the engine is new. Just replaced the fuel pump, coil, ignition control module, and it still does it. When I bought the new long block create engine (hp31) I put every thing on it brand new so i'm not sure why it's doing this.
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Good morning,

I would start with a set of spark plugs. You have replaced most of the possibilities for the misfires.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-misfires-or-runs-rough

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-change-spark-plugs

I would also verify the fuel pressure just to be sure the pressure is correct.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

FUEL PRESSURE SPECIFICATION

Ignition ON Engine OFF .................... 62-90 kPa (9-13 psi)

Roy
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Found out my truck is running rich. Had a new O2 sensor put in two months ago so I don't think that's it. I don't have an mass air flow sensor, so that's not it. Any suggestions?
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How did you determine it is running rich? Was there a code set for it?

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/checking-a-service-engine-soon-or-check-engine-light-on-or-flashing

Do not discount the O2 sensor at all. It can be days old and fail. I attached the test below for the sensor and the description for both the single wire or heated sensor.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-an-oxygen-sensor-02-sensor

Did you check the fuel pressure?

Roy

PURPOSE:
The Oxygen sensor (O2 Sensor) has the ability to produce a low voltage signal that feeds information on engine exhaust content to the control module.

The oxygen sensor is located in the exhaust system. The sensor monitors atmospheric air versus exhaust gas oxygen content to produce a voltage output. This voltage ranges from approximately 0.1 volt (high oxygen - lean mixture) to 0.9 volt (low oxygen - rich mixture). By monitoring the oxygen sensor output voltage, the computer can determine the amount of oxygen in the exhaust gas and adjust the air/fuel mixture accordingly.

CONSTRUCTION:
The O2 Sensor is constructed from a zirconia/platinum electrolytic element. Zirconia is an electrolyte that conducts electricity under certain chemical conditions. The element is made of a ceramic material and is an insulator when cold. At operating temperature, 315 C (600 F), the element becomes a semiconductor. A platinum coating on the outer surface of the element stimulates further combustion of the exhaust gases right at the surface and this helps deep the element up to the desired temperature. The O2 Sensor has an inter cavity which is filled with atmospheric (reference) air. The atmosphere has approximately 21% oxygen in it. In the electrical circuit this inter cavity is the positive (+) terminal. The outer surface of the element is exposed to the exhaust gas stream. It is the negative (-) terminal.

Due to the electrolytic properties of the element the oxygen concentration differences between the reference air and the exhaust gases produce small voltages.

OPERATION:
A rich exhaust (excessive fuel) has almost no oxygen. When there is a large difference in the amount of oxygen touching the inside and outside surfaces, there is more conduction, and the sensor puts out a voltage signal above 0.6 volts (600 mV). With lean exhaust (excessive oxygen) there is about two percent oxygen in the exhaust. This is a smaller difference in oxygen from the outside surfaces which results in less conduction and a voltage signal below 0.3 volts (300 mV). The voltages are monitored and used by the control module to "fine tune" the air/fuel ratio to achieve the ideal mixture desired.

The control module puts out a reference signal of 0.45 volts (450 mV). The reference signal serves two purposes. The first is to run the engine when it is in open loop mode of operation. When the air/fuel ratio is correct the control module senses 450 mV. When the engine is operating with a rich air/fuel ratio there is a reduction of free oxygen in the exhaust stream and the O2 sensor voltage rises above the reference voltage.

When the engine is running lean the voltage drops below the reference voltage due to the excess oxygen in the exhaust stream. The O2 sensor provides the feedback information for the closed loop operating mode of the fuel delivery system. The O2 sensor indicates to the control module what is happening in the exhaust. It does not cause things to happen. It is a type of gauge: Low voltage output = lean mixture = high oxygen content in the exhaust; high voltage output = rich mixture = low oxygen content in the exhaust.

CONDITIONS THAT CAN SET CODES:
An open O2 sensor, should set a Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) 13. A constant low voltage in the O2 sensor circuit should set a DTC 44. A constant high voltage in the circuit should set a DTC 45. DTC 44 and DTC 45 could be set as a result of fuel system problems.

Heated O2

PURPOSE:
The Oxygen sensor (O2 Sensor) has the ability to produce a low voltage signal that feeds information on engine exhaust content to the control module.

CONSTRUCTION:
The O2 Sensor is constructed from a zirconia/platinum electrolytic element. Zirconia is an electrolyte that conducts electricity under certain chemical conditions. The element is made of a ceramic material and is an insulator when cold. At operating temperature, 315 C (600 F), the element becomes a semiconductor. A platinum coating on the outer surface of the element stimulates further combustion of the exhaust gases right at the surface and this helps deep the element up to the desired temperature. The O2 Sensor has an inter cavity which is filled with atmospheric (reference) air. The atmosphere has approximately 21% oxygen in it. In the electrical circuit this inter cavity is the positive (+) terminal. The outer surface of the element is exposed to the exhaust gas stream. It is the negative (-) terminal.

Due to the electrolytic properties of the element the oxygen concentration differences between the reference air and the exhaust gases produce small voltages.

OPERATION:
A rich exhaust (excessive fuel) has almost no oxygen. When there is a large difference in the amount of oxygen touching the inside and outside surfaces, there is more conduction, and the sensor puts out a voltage signal above 0.6 volts (600 mV). With lean exhaust (excessive oxygen) there is about two percent oxygen in the exhaust. This is a smaller difference in oxygen from the outside surfaces which results in less conduction and a voltage signal below 0.3 volts (300 mV). The voltages are monitored and used by the control module to "fine tune" the air/fuel ratio to achieve the ideal mixture desired.

The control module puts out a reference signal of 0.45 volts (450 mV). The reference signal serves two purposes. The first is to run the engine when it is in open loop mode of operation. When the air/fuel ratio is correct the control module senses 450 mV. When the engine is operating with a rich air/fuel ratio there is a reduction of free oxygen in the exhaust stream and the O2 sensor voltage rises above the reference voltage.

When the engine is running lean the voltage drops below the reference voltage due to the excess oxygen in the exhaust stream. The O2 sensor provides the feedback information for the closed loop operating mode of the fuel delivery system. The O2 sensor indicates to the control module what is happening in the exhaust. It does not cause things to happen. It is a type of gauge: Low voltage output = lean mixture = high oxygen content in the exhaust; high voltage output = rich mixture = low oxygen content in the exhaust.

CONDITIONS THAT CAN SET CODES:
An open O2 sensor, should set a Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) 13. A constant low voltage in the O2 sensor circuit should set a DTC 44. A constant high voltage in the circuit should set a DTC 45. DTC 44 and DTC 45 could be set as a result of fuel system problems.

HEATED OXYGEN SENSOR TYPE:
The heated oxygen sensor works in the same manner as the non-heated oxygen sensor. The exception is that B+ is supplied to a heating element that is part of the sensor itself. The heater helps the control module control the fuel injection sooner for better fuel emissions. There are no Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC's) to detect if the heater part of the sensor is working.

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My engine has a hard constant thumping misfire and also pings at throttle application. No popping out TBI or exhaust. New timing chain set, new temperature sender, new plugs, wires and cap, set timing to spec. No noticeable noise from loose valves/rocker arms.
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KEN L
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Hello,

It sounds like you may have a burned intake or exhaust valve, can you do a compression test here is a guide to help you.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

Please run this test and get back to us so we can continue helping you.

Best, Ken
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Thanks for your reply, sense I wrote this I did a compression test on 1, 3, 5 cylinders #1 was 110lbs #3 was 5lbs #5 was 5lbs I stopped there. Burnt valve, possibly but im still not sure why its pinging thank you
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Nice work, we are here to help, please use 2CarPros anytime.

Best, Ken
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I’ve new distributor, wires, plugs, MAP sensor, temperature sensor. When I changed a couple plugs looked like they were white which means lean. What would make it run lean?
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Hi,

A lean mixture is usually the result of a weak fuel pump or a vacuum leak. Do me a favor. I need you to check for diagnostic trouble codes. On this vehicle, all you need is a short jumper wire or even a paper clip to get them. Once we know what codes are set, it should point us in the right direction.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/buick-cadillac-chevy-gmc-oldsmobile-pontiac-gm-1983-1995-obd1-code-definitions-and-retrieval-method

Let me know what you find.

Joe
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Code 42.
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Hi,

Chevrolet had a lot of problems with the ECM's that year. Something you can try
locate the ECM and with the truck running give it a little tap with a screwdriver handle
If it stumbles or stalls replace the ECM. I'm attaching a schematic to help you fine the ECM, Let me know if this was helpful.

Thank you
Joe T
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So I recently was driving my truck back and forth to my grandpas farm and it was running excellent. The truck had been sitting for ten years until I got it running last summer. Yesterday I went to go for a drive in the truck and I only made it 25 feet and then it made the loudest backfire I have ever heard, and it continuously started to do this so I shut the motor off. It does still start right up and run but backfires really loud. So I touched the exhaust pipes and only the right one was hot and the left was cold just like it has not been started working not even the valve cover or exhaust manifold was hot. So I am not sure what to do I did pull the left valve cover off and nothing is damaged. The truck listed above is a 30 crew cab dually 454 7.4L. I am just wondering what is wrong. I want to make my grandpa proud and give it back to him for his birthday in two weeks.
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KEN L
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Hello,

I would start by replacing the points, condenser, cap, rotor spark plugs. Also once the plugs are out lets do a compression test to make sure the engine is okay before you begin. here are two guide to help us fix the problem:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-tune-up-a-car-engine

Please run down these guides and report back.
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Okay, thanks for the advice my ignition system is hei so I don think it has points does it. I installed a new cap and rotor, I have new spark plugs I am just waiting for my plug wires to arrive then do you think that would fix it? Pray to God it does. I also might get a new air filter because it needs one anyways. Thanks hope to hear back soon.
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Sorry, missed the year, the ignition coils go out all the time on those and don't forget the ground strap. Let me know.
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