Fuel pump issue?

Tiny
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So, I have a 2004 Saleen with a little over 10,000 miles. About 16 months ago we changed the fuel pump. Put in a new pump and everything was fine. Go out there to move it recently and pump is out again. I changed it today with a brand-new pump. Started the car went to take it for a spin didn’t get out the driveway before it started spitting and acting like it was starving for fuel. Stopped the car the pump will not kick on. Fuse is good. The inertia switch is not tripped. Any ideas what could cause pumps to go out? I'm going to drop the tank again and bench test the pump, but I'm not sure what the issue could be. Also put fresh fuel in it, but not registering on the gauge and low fuel light is on so the sending unit is messing up. Could this cause the pump not to kick in upon start?
Saturday, March 16th, 2024 AT 5:21 PM

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Tiny
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Can I assume the car is driven very little? If it sits for long periods, there may be mold growing in the tank. It feeds on the alcohol in today's gas. That mold can cause two problems. One is it plugs the pickup screen on the bottom of the fuel pump housing. Depending on the design of the fuel delivery system, that can cause the engine to sputter or stall when the highest volume of fuel is being pumped, which is during coasting. The engine typically runs better at highway speeds and when accelerating.

The second problem is that mold, along with other debris, can clog the pump's impeller. That can cause the pump to run slow or fail to start up.

One frustrating complaint that we used to hear all the time was the owner replaced the pump up to a half dozen times with aftermarket replacements, then, out of frustration, bought one from the dealer, then had no more problems. In fact, there was nothing wrong with the aftermarket pumps; some even come from the same suppliers that made them for the car manufacturer, but by the time the dealer's pump was installed, all the debris had been collected and discarded with the previous pumps.

There have been service bulletins related to this problem. The recommended solution was to take the gas tank to a radiator repair shop to have it steam cleaned, then install the new pump.
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Saturday, March 16th, 2024 AT 6:12 PM
Tiny
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The pumps we have been using are Deatschwerks. We haven’t had issues with them before and have a collection of cars. We took everything out today and put a new pump sock, etc. We cleaned out any trash and put fresh fuel. The car stays in an enclosed shop with about 20 other cars. This particular car seems to have the fuel pump issue at the moment. We also use ethanol free premium gas. It cost more, but usually have less issues.
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Saturday, March 16th, 2024 AT 7:02 PM
Tiny
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The debris I referred to is microscopic. It isn't anything you can see.

The next step is to do an autopsy on the pump you're removing, but that will likely void any warranty. You can start with the bench-test by connecting a battery to see if it runs. Be aware the brushes in the motor cause arcing which can ignite gas fumes. It's much too rich inside the tank for that to happen. An alternative to start with is to measure the continuity of the motor. If you find an open circuit, there could be debris that got stuck under one of those brushes. That might prevent the motor from starting up, but if it does get up and running, it should continue running until you stop the engine.

If you do connect a battery and you see a little sparking when you make the last connection, it proves current is flowing through the motor. It should be running unless the impeller is locked up.

If this current pump has never worked even once, given your other observation of the gas gauge not working, it would not be too farfetched to find the assembly is wired wrong. As a former manufacturer's instructor used to tell us, "we not only sell you parts; we sell them to you pre-broken". The wires are hand assembled into the connector. It's easy to see how a mistake could be made.

Since this pump did run for a few minutes, you might look in a different direction at what these have all had in common. Mainly I'm thinking of removing the tank and unplugging the connector. Look for a corroded ground wire that is making intermittent connection, and even better, check for intermittent connections in the connector terminals. I used to warn my students to never poke test probes into the connectors for fear of spreading them, leading to poor contact with their mating terminals. If the pump passes the bench-test, use small pick to squeeze the connector terminals tighter.

Another thing to look at is how the pump motor is grounded. GM used to have a really common problem with their motors being grounded right to the tank, then the connection back to the battery was made through the two metal straps holding the tank in. Those straps were notorious for bad connections. The fix for them was to drill a small hole through the flange where the top and bottom halves were welded together, outside that weld bead, then use a self-tapping screw or a small nut and bolt to attach a ground wire from the tank to the frame.

Let me know what you find with the bench-test.
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Saturday, March 16th, 2024 AT 7:37 PM
Tiny
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This has been a very puzzling ordeal, which makes no logical explanation. So yesterday the pump came on car ran for about 5 mins or so with new pump. Took everything down couldn’t find any issues. Tested all wires and pump. Everything checked out including get power to the back of the car. Put it all back up nothing. Took it all down again. Everything works out of the car. Put it all back up again for like the 3rd time. This time the pump is working now. New problem not getting fuel to the engine. Took it all down again to find one of the hoses is busted. So hopefully going to get a new fuel filter and some hose this will resolve this crazy issue. The only thing we can figure is the first time we put it back up the pump wasn’t snapped in and the vibration caused it to come loose. Needless to say we it’s been an interesting ordeal that should have taken an hour or two at most. Day 2, I think we tracked it down.
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Sunday, March 17th, 2024 AT 2:16 PM
Tiny
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"Put it all back up nothing". What does, "nothing" mean? The pump was not running or there was no problem?

Twice in 440,000 miles, the pickup screen became plugged on my '88 Grand Caravan. Just a $12.00 part, but both times, when I reconnected the two hoses, I switched them, even though they're different sizes. I'm supposed to be the expert! The pump was trying to push fuel into the return side of the pressure regulator instead of to the injectors. Luckily it was just a three-minute job to switch them to where they belonged, but it shows we should never assume we did everything correctly. I did that TWICE!

It sounds like you have this solved. Let me know if it acts up again.
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Sunday, March 17th, 2024 AT 2:31 PM
Tiny
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All we can figure is the first time we put it back up the pump wasn’t snapped in all the way, and it vibrated loose causing the issue. We have extensively tested everything numerous times. The last time we put it up we tested the pump in the tank before putting it back up. The pump was running, but what we didn’t know is the hose pumping the fuel out the tank busted and gas wasn’t leaving the tank. So yes, hopefully once we put it back up this time the issue will be solved. Thanks for the help.
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Sunday, March 17th, 2024 AT 3:08 PM
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Dandy. Please come back to see us with your next dilemma.
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Sunday, March 17th, 2024 AT 3:17 PM

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