Coolant in combustion?

Tiny
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My vehicle listed above with EcoBoost engine is losing coolant. It looks like the common problem of coolant getting into #2 or #3 cylinder through a failed head gasket.

The car puts out a bit of white smoke when starting (from water). There is no blue smoke (oil) or black smoke (fuel rich mixture). Just the brief white "smoke" which is actually steam condensation.

The California Smog Check Manual (https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/smog-check-manual.pdf) on page 31 says "No vehicle shall be failed for condensation or steam."

Do you know if the added water vapor from the coolant getting into #2 and/or #3 cylinders will cause a smog check failure? The "condensation or steam" exception on page 31 would indicate it will not fail for that problem.
Friday, August 25th, 2023 AT 9:56 AM

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Tiny
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Hi,

If the coolant is getting into the combustion chamber, that is a concern. Chances are it won't pass if it is burning coolant. However, if it is a brief time and only condensation burning off, that should be just fine.

How much coolant are you losing? Have you checked the engine oil for contamination? Take a look at this link, you may find it helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/recognizing-the-symptoms-understanding-a-blown-head-gasket-in-your-vehicle

Let me know.

Joe
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Friday, August 25th, 2023 AT 8:25 PM
Tiny
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Thanks. It's my son's car. We've checked both coolant and engine oil and changed both. He is topping off coolant about every fill-up. We haven't measured how much coolant it is losing, but it's a fair amount. Combustion products are definitely in the coolant just based on coolant color and condition.

The oil isn't milky white, so it doesn't appear much coolant is getting into the oil.

Ford's utterly ridiculous "fix" is to put a coolant level sensor in the coolant tank. A lot of good that does you when the head gasket fails. They refuse to fix the millions of failed engines with this problem that are out of warranty. There are a couple of class-action lawsuits against Ford on this.

The open-deck block design and the coolant groove between the cylinders are other stupid "innovations."

A couple of the ODB2 codes indicate head gasket failure. I wonder what engine instrumentation they use to identify head gasket failure. Do they look at overheating and infer the gasket failed?

Interestingly, there's no code for cat converter failure. I understand the additives in the coolant getting into the combustion chambers can cause fouling of the cat.

We would like to figure out a way to pass smog to keep it going a couple more years. We'd like to avoid the big expense of a new head gasket (which will fail like the first one did after a while).

I figure that we should drive the car to get the engine as hot as we can, then keep it idling at the smog station. Don't turn it off to let coolant puddle in #3 cylinder then puff white smoke on re-start. This might do the trick. I don't think the gas chemical analyzer will look for any coolant additives, just NOx, CO, and unburned hydrocarbons. So, if we can avoid a smoke during the throttle snap or engine restart, we might pass.
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Friday, August 25th, 2023 AT 9:26 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

It is possible. If you have a chance, let me know how it turns out for you. Also, if you decide to replace the gasket, let me know and I'll get you the directions specific to this vehicle.

Let me know.

Joe
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Saturday, August 26th, 2023 AT 9:28 PM

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